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It's not Radio OF at all - last season, it was Radio Dons - we used to laugh (in a bitter diddy, jealous of the Famous kind of a way) about the over the top stuff about Aberdeen and the way Richard Gordon could work them into any conversation. Obviously the funereal tones of Willie Miller and him after the last day of the season at Pittodrie made the journey home quite enjoyable
I actually don't mind the programme - It's a while since I lived in the West but I remember just how fucking awful Radio Clyde used to be when you'd be lucky to get a passing mention of a club that didn't happen to playing the OF that day - so Sportsound is better than that. I'm pleased that Off the Ball is on more as I couldn't stand listening to Traynor or the hour long pundit section (where they talked about how great the Dons were) last season.
How Chick is still in a job is a mystery to me..
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You know when folk in the media and on here give it the whole "laughing stock of world football!" every time we have a bad year in Europe? Getting emptied from the Champs League play-offs for an admin mistake is genuine laughing stock material - there will be someone down the job centre in Warsaw for that seven figure f**k up. Polish football was already a laughing stock of course for getting one of their top clubs papped out of Europe by a part time Icelandic team
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Good luck to both teams tomorrow - hope it's a decent game. Nothing against Utd at all - but as Utd got one pretty recently, I'd like to see St Johnstone pick up their first cup, so will be cheering them on tomorrow..
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Photoshopped - Broomfield never looked that good
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I think I would be right in saying that they also rebuilt their Main Stand... however - in what one could either call a highly admirable respect for nostalgia, or a chronic lack of originality - they rebuilt it in the style of its predecessor? And it's still got 'plank seats'?
If you sit at the back of that stand, do you watch the game though the window when the ball's up near the goal?? They should market that as "just like an executive box"
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I'm pretty certain Celtic Park had a fence at the front of the Jungle, but not at the front of the other sections.
I did think about that one - but having been in there a couple of times (don't ask), my memory is that it had an unbroken crush barrier along the front - but not an actual fence. A Celtic fan might be able to confirm...
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Here's one that I was thinking about - which Scottish grounds had fences between the fans and the pitch (as opposed to for segregation)? They disappeared post-Hillsbourough/Taylor - but the few I could remember were:
Ibrox (in front of the Enclosure)
Tynecastle
Easter Rd
Hampden
I'm sure there were others - anyone?
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Found it!
Oddly enough despite going to Tannadice at that time, I had actually forgotten that the "corner" was ever a place that folk stood - nice to see that...
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Cheers that will be the one mate. I wasn't there but I remember lots of posters on steelmen online talking about it at the time. I'm sure there was pictures as well
I was there and it was funny - especially once he dropped his breeks
As he climbed down the drainpipe afterwards, there were 4 of Fife's finest standing there waiting for him 0 -
Fantastic thread. I'm sadly old enough to remember all the older ground iterations (although I never went to Muirton).
Team by team:
Aberdeen: The beach end at Pittodrie was quite good for a sing song actually and not really comparable to bucket seat type things you get now (and I can't remember anyone actually telling you to sit down). The celebration after Kirk scored up there in 91 was mental and I've still got a weird dent on my shin caused by those solid bench seat things that they had in there
Celtic: The old Parkhead was ok - a lot better for an away fan than now actually - but in my time going there, it was always pretty empty against us, so not a brilliant atmoshpere compared to most other grounds.
Dundee: Dens was always a bit run-down feeling to me - we were usually on the terracing where the away stand is now although I do remember being in the bench seated bit behind the other goal a number of times - not sure why..
United: I liked Tannadice as it was quite a unique place - the terracing was fucking steep though. Never a happy hunting ground for us in those days, so can't remember walking out happy to many times.
Hibs: Never a fan of Easter Rd in the terracing days - possibly as it was an intimidating place to go with 'Well in those casual-y days.....
Hearts: In every thread about best grounds/away days, etc - I always say Tynecastle - but pre-redevelopment it was my least favourite - an utter shitehole. One of the grounds that you got no cover - and I remember a couple of real soakings there (the cup game in the late 80's where we were 3-0 down at h/t and drowning in the away end still ranks as the miserable I've been at a game). Unlike a lot of grounds in those days, there wasn't even the consolation prize of decent banter between the supporters as the hearts fans that would be up for that were in that big dark shed. Delighted to see it bulldozed.
Inverness: ICT weren't a thing in those days - and we never played Caley or Thistle (or Clach) in my time watching 'Well (or if we did, I don't remember/didn't go).
Killie: Liked Rugby Park a lot actually - although never quite got the spare acre of grass behind the goal - sad to see it go.
'Well: The Old Fir Park was where I grew up and I've got hugely fond memories of standing in at the fence in the covered terracing (where my season ticket seat has been since 1991). It was a standard old school ground I guess - but you got a decent atmosphere in there with only 6 or 7 thousand. The current setup doesn't have my affections to the same extent as it's well past it's sell by date and if we do move, I'll not be too bothered.
Partick Thistle: Wasn't at the old Firhill that often due to being in different divisions most of the time - no strong feelings either way.
Ross County: Was never in the old ground as the clubs never met until last season.
St Johnstone: Never in Muirton although I was going to games when it still existed
St Mirren: Liked Love Street - it was a huge terracing at the away end - but like Fir PArk, followed the "template" that I liked best.
My favourite old ground isn't in the top flight now - East End Park. I loved that it was terracing on three sides but was mostly covered. If they had extended the roof round behind the goal at the away end, it would have been perfect for me....
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A reminder why football is Fucking Great.
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Will miss the ManU game but if I was home that day I would have rather had a boozy train-day to the game in Wick anyway..
I know it will have happened in the Highland League days - but I love the idea of County fans heading North for a game
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What's amazing about this new stuff from Alex Thomson is that everything us diddies accused Traynor of over the years turns out to be completely true - allowing Whyte to edit his articles is an utter embarrassment and shows the depths that he latterly sunk to. The only legacy of his (initially decent) career is that he will for ever more be a by-word for crawling OF sycophancy....
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One thing I don't understand is why the SPL and not the SFA are running the dual contracts investigation. Given that the SFA hold and administer registrations and are the overall governing body, surely it would have made sense for them to investigate it and avoid this inevitable juridstiction pish that we are seeing. Am I missing something obvious here?
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That latest communiqué from McCoist really is unbelievable, is he really so unaware of the lack of punishmnent for such serious breaches of the rules of the game and the land, or is he playing to the lowest common denominator of fan from the defunct Rangers. He's shown himself to be a sleekit dangerous agitato, i wish he'd walk away before he gets someone hurt
The part of the statement that wins the prize for disingenuous shite is where he pointedly referred to Rangers being "mismanaged for 10 months" - when it is obvious to the even the most blinkered Peepils that despite Craig Whyte putting the icing on the cake, mismanagement on a grand scale went back over a decade. McCoist's way of operating throughout this is symptomatic of a lot of OF people who are used to a pliant, unquestioning media in Scotland - he has basically come out with a lot of shite that doesn't stand any sort of scrutiny, safe in the knowledge that the MSM would give it any.
Whether he's whipping up a witchhunt against Panel members or trying to incite Sevco fans with his latest pish, we've all seen the real McCoist throughout this and he's come across very badly indeed.
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Well said Alistair.
F*cking parasites the lot of them.
Is this the point that ex-Rangers fans come out from 4 months of hiding to show that legendary humility is still intact?
FWIW, McCoist has been a walking cliche throughout this - and his grand tour of the buffets showed that his charm isn't as effective on football chairmen as it is on Sue Barker.
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This is still #Rangers and the next chapter of our history has the potential to be one of the greatest stories in the history of sport.
Classic stuff.One of the greatest stories in the history of sport. That Gretna did a few years back already
Hope the ending to this particular high-budget fairytale is the same.
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Amusing timing for the announcement. I wonder how many things will be hidden behind the Olympics
Initial reaction is that on the surface Sevco haven't extracted much from the negotiation other than short circuiting the normal membership election process...
EBTs will be investigated - so presumably the threat of titles being stripped is still there?
Punishments are being accepted
Transfer embargo accepted
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TV contract awaits SFA membership approval
Published on 27 July 2012
Michael Grant
CONTRACTS will be signed with Sky and ESPN to show 65 matches per season from the Scottish Premier League and Irn-Bru Third Division if Rangers newco's Scottish Football Association membership is approved later today.
Sky will have the rights to 30 games, starting with Celtic versus Aberdeen at Parkhead next Saturday lunchtime, then Rangers newco's opening third division encounter at Peterhead on August 11. ESPN would have 35 live games and the first would be Dundee United versus Hibernian on Sunday, August 5.
Herald Sport understands that a deal involving the SPL, Scottish Football League and the two broadcasters – and including rights for 15 of the newco's league games per season – will preserve most of the value of the existing £16m-a-season television agreement for the current campaign. That will spare top-flight clubs from the most severe repercussions some had feared from at least three years without the Ibrox club.
The television deal is agreed in principle but cannot be signed until Sevco Scotland Ltd's application for the transfer of Rangers' SFA membership is approved. That needs to happen before the club can play its first match at Brechin City in the Ramsdens Cup on Sunday afternoon.
In theory, approval could be given at any time up until kick-off, but practicalities and exchanges of documents essentially mean it has to be done today. But all five parties – Sevco Scotland, the oldco Rangers, the SFA, SPL and SFL – were understood to believe the discussions were almost there last night and that there will be a satisfactory conclusion, and the signing of contracts, later today.
Representatives from Charles Green's newco regime held further negotiations with Neil Doncaster, the SPL chief executive, yesterday. A major obstacle has been the SPL's view that accepting any potential punishment from its ongoing investigation into undisclosed payments to players via Employment Benefit Trusts – alleged to have happened over several years of the oldco Rangers – should be accepted by Sevco as a condition of membership. Manager Ally McCoist and some others at Ibrox have vigorously opposed any acceptance that the club could be stripped of league titles if a guilty verdict is returned.
BBC Alba will have live coverage of Rangers' tie at Brechin and yesterday the channel was continuing to plan as though the match would go ahead. As for the longer-term deal involving Sky and ESPN, the companies will discuss how the SPL and third division coverage is shared in the weeks and months ahead. "It will be up to the broadcasters to decide how the games are carved up," said a source at one SPL club.
B...but, we were promised Armageddon! What about the £3m deal that was the most we could expect. I refuse to believe this broadsheet pish until I see it confirmed in the Red Tops
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I think the fact that it seemingly needs 5 (five) parties to agree to register a new 3rd division team as an SFA member is another reason why the administration of Scottish Football needs a massive axe taken to it - The SFA, SFL and (especially) SPL cannot be allowed to exist in their current forms after this debacle.
The Media rights cock-waving was pretty inevitable I think - but the thing that has really staggered me is the idea that Rangers would have the balls to ask for the dual contracts investigation to be halted - even by their standards, that shows a stunning degree of arrogance. It's a bit like Fred West saying "Well, You did give me that parking ticket, which I paid - so let's forget about all them murders I done and we'll say no more about it. Oh - and you owe me a new patio".
At a very basic level, I cannot understand why Sevco's license application is being treated as a negotiation by all involved when in reality it should be a process.
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In Financial Armageddon!!!!11! news, I see that Motherwell's main sponsor has just extended our deal to the end of 2013/2014. They must be utterly mad to do that in a league without Rangers - I hope Jim Traynor can get a hold of them and tell them the error of their ways before the paperwork is signed!
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I think all the candlelight from the vigil has caused the picture to become over-exposed.
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This, from the 'dossier' thread is mind-blowing
or a neat WU 
Like him or loathe him, a certain Alex Thomson has added his tuppence worth to the debate in recent weeks
I don't know what's worse - the continuing denial amongst a section of the orcs about what the "truth" actually is or the fact that any Rangers fan, no matter how mentally sub-normal, could possibly think the scottish media is "sewn up" against Rangers
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I think many of us who traditionally supported Rangers have been gradually alienated.
The morph from Scottish into a 'quintessential British club' seems to be part of a non-football agenda. Honestly, why on earth would anyone wave a union jack at Ibrox? Does the Queen visit Glasgow every week? And isn't it Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs that Rangers have stiffed? A better slogan might have been 'we don't do irony'.
The daft songs about Ireland also persist. Some of us have had it with people who obsess about their right to sing songs about their Irish heritage. And what about those of us who are Scots with no Irish heritage, and no interest in Ireland's obscure history? Some of us just like football.
And then you've got the current spokesmen for the club. I've heard threats, more threats, demands for boycotts of almost everyone and everything, but very little common sense spoken. Who's using the family brain cell at the moment?
I'd love to see Rangers start again as a Scottish team, without the Irish and sectarian crap. It could be a team to be proud of. But if it's going to be Old Gers Mark II, with all the miserable non-football stuff, then the club will have lost me, and possibly many others, forever.
Fantastic post there. I think the problem with actually starting a Real Rangers from scratch would be the danger that those starting it would be traditionalists and would fancy getting back to the "undiluted" version of the club that existed pre-Souness and not the version you'd like to see. Anecdotally, I think it's fair to say that there were a number of Rangers fans that felt alienated because the club made some moves away from the overt sectarian stuff in recent years (although to most of us, it's been a skin deep change and nothing more) - and these people given the chance would move things backwards. I am interested to see how it goes with the new club in the Third, as presumably it will be closer to the hardcore Rangers support that will turn out regularly (assuming that glory hunters will be turned off fairly quickly) - and I honestly think we'll see the "banned" songs, etc back in full flow before too long.
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I think that is a fair comment - and I'd throw St Johnstone in there too (although their profile has been a bit higher recently). The coverage of ICT and Ross County never seems to get away from a caricature of "wee, tiny clubs in the top division - that's lovely for them"