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I just can't understand why they don't just pull the trigger! The administrators words and deeds are miles apart. They have the power to sack who they want today if things are as bad as they say.
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If Sky came out and said the deal would remain the same and they would still be interested in the rights to the SPL, then how many chairmen would vote against Rangers coming back in?
While Rangers are away in the lower leagues - we should have an SPL playoff at the end of the season between 1st and 2nd for the title. That way, even if Celtic were romping the league as would be expected, it would keep things interesting for TV until the last day of the season - even if Celtic would still likely win the one-off game....
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Presumably 'condition' No. 1 will be 'Offer does not apply in the event of a huge tax bill arriving in the letterbox, honest guv'.'
More Moonbeams.
But there must be a point when you attach so many conditions to protect yourself (Ibrox and MP owned by the club, no fallout from Ticketus, no liability for tax, playing squad still in place, club stays in SPL, etc, etc) that you get to the stage where it becomes a fairly pointless PR exerc.....ahhhh
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Call me a sceptic, but this has all the markers of a bid for PR purposes, in order to cement his position to take on a NewCo.
Why on Earth would anyone wish to buy the current Rangers before the big tax case is settled?
I don't see how anyone can make an offer when it can't be clear what they are buying in terms of assets and liabilities...
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What exactly have United done to deserve this fearsome ire?
Who knows - but it's nice to see the Rangers fans mindlessly lashing out at something else and giving their womenfolk a break.
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According to the current top dstory on the BBC football page they are looking to punt the players with value to clubs in countries where the transfer window is still open.
But they've had 3 weeks to do the punting - why are still talking about it?
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So the current TV deal requires 4 OF games but he 'believes' the new one doesn't. Firstly, does he not know the terms of the deal? Has he not read it? I would be very suprised if it doesn't have at least some renegotiaion clause allowing Sky to withdraw/dramatically reduce if the 4 main attractions do not materialise. So he is at the very least being disingenuous to imply that there will not be less tv money for SPL clubs if there are no OF games.
Very strange posture given that he was using the 4 OF games as a major argument against an expanded SPL just a few months back with the jist being that less OF games = smaller TV deal.
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Derry City were expelled from the LOI in 2009 because of "under the table" payments to players. The principle is the same, I would suggest - a scheme of paying players outwith their registered contracts (although in Derry's case it seems to have been to get round rules enforcing wages are no greater than 65% of turnover).
The implication is that the players were not properly registered - a parallel could be drawn to Sion earlier this season, perhaps? Given during the period in question Rangers have competed in Europe and earned a huge amount of money in return, if there is proof of wrongdoing I would expect UEFA to threaten the SFA, ie "hammer them or we will hammer you".
Given the time period in question, the inquiry is basically asking.... "Have Rangers cheated in the SPL for its entire existence?". I would imagine there is no precedent or even similar situation to the possibility that a team fielded potentially 100+ improperly registered players over a 14 year period (during which they reaped the rewards as the country's most successful club).
Not based on any facts - but my gut feeling is that if UEFA really started to look under the rocks to see the mechanisms that their member clubs have used to pay players over the years, they would have to hammer some far bigger names than Rangers....
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That is singularly the biggest load of pish I have seen from these fucking clowns in all my life ( and they have come up with a bucket load of pish ideas)
So to protect Ranjurs and Sellicks European ambitions they would punish the wee teams more harshly than the big teams. These cunts have lost it...They have totally lost the fucking plot.. ( and of course the scary thing is that they are our clubs, our chairmen.. Why don't they just assemble on the steps of Hampden, drop there pinstripe strides, bend over and let the fucking Old Firm rodger there arses. It would be much quicker and then we could just get on with it..)
This snash deserves it's own thread really....
My instant reaction to the idea to limit the punishment to "european" clubs is that it is entirely illogical. Look at Motherwell, Dundee and Livi - they all went into admin after over-spending in chasing 3rd place. Surely, these would be exactly the type of "financial doping" offences that deserve to be punished - ie - where a club rises above it's peer group by unsustainable spending? It is also completely possible that a club can reach the SPL by overspending in the 1st Division in a speculative way in the hope that SPL membership will pay off the "credit card" and then get into financial trouble. As far as I'm concerned, these "crimes" are equal and should be punished identically.
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Since 'Well were in the grubber 10 years ago - I've taken an interest in the way other administrations have gone up here and south of the border - and the pace of action from the administrators in this case just seems completely out of step with every other one. Given that they are hemorrhaging cash in a pretty spectacular way, I can't get my head round the fact that there hasn't been far more decisive action in terms of cutbacks to staff and other "obvious" outgoings. The administrators seem to be running Rangers in a "steady state" the way we saw Bryan Jackson do at Motherwell after the big cuts had been made - when I would be expecting things to be cut to the bare bones.
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At some point you'd think Haudit & Daudit would just say (in effect), fcuk this - you, you, you, and you, along with him, him, and him. You're out. Send the next lot in....Sorry Ally, sorry Mr Wishart, you had your chance, game's a bogey, we need to save a million quid a month.
I think they are going to use the more scientific "Good guy, Good guy, w**k" method.
Kyle Lafferty should be very afraid.
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Judgement day is upon us! Can't sleep
Because of the worry?
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As if! The man's been banging on about the Scottish set up being a fiddle for years to suit the Old Firm. If he's given the chance to hammer the stake into the Ibrox vampire, he'll do so after first putting on his best dancing shoes so he can tango afterwards.
Secondly, and this may come as a bloody big shock to the "hands across the M8" wankers (thankfully a dying breed), Hearts would be mad to pass up the opportunity to destroy Rangers for good especially if it meant ensuring that Hibernian - their biggest money spinning match of the season - is preserved by any danger of their relegation this year being null and void due to a need for restructuring.
Thirdly, Romanov is a hard-headed businessman. Given the chance to remove a major competitor for good, he'll not pass it up. The whole "history" and "Scottish institution" means SFA to a Russian whose seen his country and the nations he trades in go through massive social and economic upheavals in the last 50 years the likes of which the Scots mentality cannot begin to appreciate. He, like many in Eastern Europe, doesn't swallow that "there must always be" sentimentalist tosh.
So what if money is lost in the short term (and anyone that honestly believes all those Rangers fans will be lost to Scottish football forever is living in dreamland)? In the medium to long term an easier passage to European competition awaits and it will be easier to secure investment being part of a system that no longer reeks of being a two team stitch up (with one of those two having highly dubious links to the upper echelons of the corridors of power not only at Hampden).
Rangers death will be bloody marvellous business for Mad Vlad as it will for many other Scottish clubs, especially those that never saw a whiff of all that Sky TV money the pub bores tell you is so "vital" to the game up here. For the first time in over 100 years, many clubs will be seeing a real opportunity to become real success stories, not merely some "wee team" bolthole when their "big team"'s doing relatively poorly.
My only fear is that upon the happy event, the SFA, SPL & SFL will demand "emergency restructuring", and rush through a 20 league Premier League and 22 Division Division One for two seasons, in order to let clubs find their "natural level". Rangers 2012 are elected to the vacancy in the new 22 team Division 1, they win it at a canter, and are comfortably in the top 12 at the end of season 2013/14 when it reverts back to a 12-10-10-10 set up.
Again - I like the sentiments and I want these things to happen - but the "death" of Rangers which you're basing this on is just misty eyed fantasy and nothing more. Do you honestly think that an entity called "Rangers" won't be about after this?
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Not sure if you have kept up, but Romanov is hardly running the club in Hearts' best financial interests. Why would he approach this issue with a changed mindset?
Celtic have nothing to lose: guranteed title wins for the forseeable future and an emphatic move to back the rhetoric that they don't need Rangers. They don't. Celtic could build a record-breaking, beyond NIAR level of dominance by shafting their rivals. They are in a good financial position regardless of the TV deal and their fans will lap it up.
On Hearts - they are struggling badly financially and I can't see Romanov (even given his erratic history) cutting of his nose to spite his face to make a point, regardless of how satisfying it would be.
On Celtic, I just find the idea of a PLC voluntarily making their trading environment markedly worse a bit far fetched. Better for them to have a badly wounded Rangers in the league, still piss all over them, qualify for the CL and retain season ticket levels, sponsorship and TV revenue, all of which would suffer without the other cheek. I would have thought that their fans would enjoy the boasting rights of pumping rangers 4 times a season for a few years rather than never playing them, but who knows....
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Why not? How else should cheats be punished to the degree they deserve?
If SPL clubs embrace sycophantic mewling over justice then the game's a bogey. It must by rights go to an 11-1 vote: surely Hearts would vote against, so just one club required to have the stones to block a disgraceful bailout.
I wouldn't rule out Celtic holding the knife.
I know it's great fun for us all to make big pronouncements like the above - but it's utterly naive to think that the SPL chairmen would willingly chuck Rangers out and lower their income where there is an option to keep them - it won't happen. The discussion about which clubs can ride it out is also an irrelevance - just because St Johnstone could for example, it doesn't mean that they would do it by choice. And the vain hope that Hearts or even more bizarrely, Celtic would do this is fucking laughable given that they probably have the most to lose for differing reasons.
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Forget the poor Ibrox staff which the Gers fans keep bleating on about, who's giving the private coach drivers any thought? - the ones that transport all these guys from Stranraer / Wick to Ibrox on a fortnightly basis.
Not just that, the textile industry will take a huge hit were the demand for oversize Union flags with <distant town> Loyal embroidered on them, to drop off significantly - and the cottage industry of producing cassette tapes of badly recorded Orange Music-to-be-sold-from-a-wee-tray-outside-Ibrox will be in turmoil.....
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The demise of Glasgow Rangers will obviously leave some football issues to be resolved, but I can't help thinking it will be enormously beneficial to the Scottish nation as a whole. Sectarianism disappears because it no longer has a focus.
No - there'll just be an Orange Walk every Saturday to take up the slack.
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Has anyone reported this to Watchdog yet? They'll find the truth and we'd see Whyte getting doorstepped
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By "stepped back", he means "in hiding, in fear of a chibbing"
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If Rangers aren't in the SPL next year, that's the kind of crowds Celtic will get immediately.
I tend to agree - I can see a drop in demand for Season Tickets as the cost would no longer seem so attractive without the OF games and we normally see a big dip for Celtic's "non-season" ticket games in the cup and europa League. They would still have crowds that the rest of us could only dream of - but I can't see the Waiting List being dusted off any time soon....
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Some mistake surely .
He plays Bass for Rush
you're both wrong - it's the other guy
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Correct. Salmond and Cameron answered because someone shoved a microphone in their faces. If this was a normal business then nobody would be giving a f**k. These situations happen a lot but because this is a football club that newspapers fill their paf]ges with its a big deal. Lets face it they employ a hundred odd folk and their turnover wont be much higher than your local fucking Tesco.
To be fair - you often get questions in FMQ's each week asking Salmond to comment on (often quite small) businesses going into admin under dodgy circumstances - and he gives a fairly stock response that isn't a million miles from his line on Rangers. The bottom line is that politicians are powerless over this stuff but need to generate some soundbites - and when you add a Scottish media that can work an OF angle into any story - then it was inevitable that the PM and FM were asked about it.
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Can't see this working. All it would lead to is every other club in the SPL with a sizeable debt problem looking to do something similar. If it's a new co then they have to be treated as such, which means reapplying to the SFA and starting from the bottom up. While this is something that the media do not want to consider, it is the only way to get through this without doing far more damage to the game here than has already been done.
The difference being that most non-OF sides would be in big trouble starting the season on -15. Do that now and everyone from 6th place down would be bottom of the league. For Rangers, it's only meaningful as it would hand the title to Celtic for a few years but it wouldn't threaten their status.
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You'd hope the SPL chairmen are getting together in the event of Rangers no more to set some conditions around the division of money etc, it's maybe an opportunity to even the spread of cash
Not holding my breath but if the non-OF chairmen had any sort of political nous, they would use this situation to remove the absurd voting rules that give the OF a veto on the important stuff. It's always been a ridiculous setup but in light of the current farce, it looks completely indefensible.
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Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!
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The whole "keeping the fabric of the squad" thing doesn't make sense to me. Rangers could put together a squad in the close season that could comfortably finish second in the SPL with extreme ease and a low cost in terms of wages and no transfer fees. Surely if they can limp to the summer with a skeleton squad of U-19's and haddies, then it is far preferable to hemorrhaging money now?