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One major thing that is now required given that we know who is playing where is some clarity on the TV deals. Realistically, it will be a negotiation* and so I don't expect an answer today - but I'd imagine there are more than a few chairmen waiting for some sort of indication and I'm keen to understand the impact on my own club obviously.
*If Sky have read the Powerpoint of Doom, they will know that Doncaster's valuation is £3m of course - so it should quite easy for them
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Am I the only one who was disappointed with Alex Thomson's contribution to this. Don't get me wrong, he was one of the good guys but based on his various cryptic tweets I always expected something more. Also when he took part in radio and TV discussions he seemed to follow the agendas being set by the presenters rather than setting the tone based upon the issues that were not being discussed in the MSM.
You're not the only one - I think his involvement has been over-hyped to a large extent - although he has been of some use. On one hand, he hasn't exactly set the agenda as you point out and much of his stuff has been based on the work of other blogs, etc - however, as a "serious" journalist from outside the nepotistic Scottish Fitba Writers bubble, he has been very useful in at least articulating in the MSM an alternative view to the ARMAGEDDON pish that we have been force fed otherwise. By not having a clear commercial interest in the survival of Rangers at the highest possible level, he at least has taken no heed of the party line espoused by our home grown media and has ruffled a few feathers in the process and that is a positive contribution IMO.
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It's bad enough Green is there (especially since Regan's email came to light) but can anyone explain why McCoist is there? Are there any other SPL managers in attendance?
Galling to the very end.
I'd like to know what McCoist is doing there also - but it has to be said, the McCoist and Green dream team haven't exactly been a roaring success so far - they have charmed their way into the 3rd Div without any apparent concessions...
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PaddyPower have just opened a book on which clubs are most likely to fall in the wake of todays decision......guess where Motherwell come in the list??????
Are we in the Champions League places?
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Somebody turn out the lights when they leave................no idea of social implications,no idea of economic implications,no idea of whats just occurred today. Lots of back slapping and well dones to each other in amongst the usual low rent diatribe and social bile. "We have the power...." no you don`t. Watch this space as the dominos start to tumble....... Finance from the SKY deal first followed by the trickle of other meaningful investment that all the champions of sporting integrity rely on every year to balance the books. Please don`t run out the old argument about "we had football before we had SKY/television rights and we can have it again" The fact is that the clubs then weren`t run on such a reckless manner and the overheads relative to income were always managed responsibly. Clubs now frequently live beyond their means, Rangers/Sevco/Orcs or whatever witless title that they have today are case in point. The Scottish game at grass roots will be the first to suffer from the number of clubs that wind down their already fragile youth policies because of reductions in revenue. It`s the first place that cuts get made when times get hard. We are now officially on the road to becoming a footballing backwater.Well done everybody,let the self congratulation begin............
On the plus side with the number of "never going back" posters on here I`m sure the local high streets will all be looking forward to receiving your hard earned cash at the end of every week.... kerrrching!!!!!!!!
Sorry - you got the wrong place. - It's www.dailyrecord.co.uk/hotline for that type of stream of consciousness drivel.
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That would still mean 2 more seasons without "Rangers" in the top flight. Would all that hassle really be worth it to save a year?
I was assuming (and therefore it may be pish) that having them under the SPL "umbrella" would enough for some sponsors and the TV deal - and so it would be seen as a mitigation by those desperate to see them back.
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Still don't see how it'd possibly get necessary support, in time:
What is "in time" though? I am assuming that they have a back room deal with TV and Sponsors to live with a 1 year "absence" for Sevco and so surely, the deadline for SPL2 is August 2013? I'm sure it can be in place by then by ripping up the necessary rules
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The fact that 35 out of 42 member clubs have voted against the clear wishes of Regan and Cockwomble over the SPL and SFL votes is as compelling a resignation case as I've seen. How can they hope to continue with their utter lack of credibility so publicly demonstrated?
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To any representatives of the Red Tops looking on through tear stained eyes - GETITUPYE - your scaremongering pish failed yet again
Seems over for the Tabs
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Not that I'm expecting a tie anywhere, but the decision to let the Alloa chairman to have the overall say is very pleasing.
I hope if it comes to that, the poor sod has the number of a good glazier handy....
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The smaller SFL clubs are "little more than social clubs for their communities" according to the Hutt today.
Oddly, when I read that - I took the "little more than" out and saw it as a positive way to describe diddy clubs. Even the smallest diddy club does something that Rangers could not - and that is add something positive to their community. All Rangers have done is sucked supporters and money out of these towns whereas the local football team puts something in.
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Embdy else considered the fact that newco just might not get enough votes "to enter the SFL"?
Is that possible?Then they'd become the Govan Globetrotters.
I have always assumed that an outright "no" to league football for sevco would just result in an existing league club being bought over and rebranded as "Rangers" ASAP - surely nothing to stop that happening?
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Great statement from Ayr, following on from excellent work from Clyde and Alloa. I hope all the diddies on here keep their promises and take in a few more matches at clubs such as these....and others. IF the vote goes ahead and we have the expected outcome, we all need to dig a bit deeper for the game. This could be a great day! See you on the other side!!
I don't usually do pre-season games as I enjoy having weekends free during the "summer" to do things that I can't during the season - but I'll be heading to Ayr tomorrow for the 'Well game as clubs that stand up to be counted in that way deserve to be backed - even if it it only a few quid....
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I admire your optimism, I really do. However, I think it was on sportsound last week that someone said that the votes and wishes of the people could very well just be ignored completely and newco forced into div 1. Whats to stop them?
As far as I can gather, a LOT of the dust seems to have settled in the minds of fans. Sadly, there are far too many supporters stating "I cant give up seeing my team", more than a few weeks ago. The governing bodies know this. I hope I'm wrong.
I was thinking something similar I have to admit. The "no to sevco in the SPL" part of it was seen as a major victory for supporters (and it was) but I sense that a lot of heat has gone out of the situation amongst SPL fans especially and there does not seem to be the same pressure on now that the decision is with the SFL. Anecdotally, most football fans that I know personally just want an end to this and a final decision so that we can get on with the new season and I hope this "Sevco Fatigue" doesn't allow them to be dropped into the 1st division with only token resistance. I am still 100% of the view that now that Sevco need to start in the SFL, they are treated as any other applicant and we move on and deal with the consequences - but I can see the grubby compromise coming soon
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So it wont be called the SPL, but it will have 12 teams in it - made up of the 12 SPL teams - and an identical voting structure. Yeah, I can see the clubs really going for that one
I can't believe that - why would they even try to insert another 11-1 clause and who do they expect to vote for that??
I'm sure the main "silver linings" for SPL diddy chairmen in all this are the chance to claw back some shortfall by altering TV distribution and making the voting more equitable to allow other decisions to be made in the future that help the non-OF teams. Peter Lawell must have been on the phone.....
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Probably don't get the full picture - but from the outside looking in. There has been a lot of bitterness shown towards Rangers and not the cause (Murray and Whyte) by fans quick to jump on their demise.
There undoubtably has been bitterness and schadenfreude towards Rangers as an entity but that is understandable to me. To anyone like me that grew up supporting a diddy team in an area crawling with Rangers fans, it wasn't the Rangers BoD that was in your face every day with a misplaced arrogance and inflated self-worth - it was their fans and I'll admit to taking some petty satisfaction that the worst of social inadequates that latch on to Rangers, yet have been to Ibrox less than I have, are having a bad time of it now. The fact is that there is still an utter lack of humility or contrition from these roasters even now that the extent of Ranger's cheating has been made clear - so hell mend them as far as I'm concerned.
It is possible to support a course of action in a logical, sober way - to see the newco in Div 3 in the knowledge of the consequences - and at the same time enjoying seeing some of the dregs of society worrying about what to do on a Saturday outside of marching season
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I remain totally bemused that people allow personal prejudice to rule their minds. Surely the whole issue is the future of the Scottish Game and the implications that any decision will have..
The majority of posters continue to wallow in the demise of another club - and forget to look at the impact that this may have on their own club and Scottish Football in general.
Scottish Football needs to unite in moving forward for the survival of our game. Solutions are required and the talking needs to stop. Henry McLeish was appointed and paid loadsa money to help improve the game and that has as usual produced no outcomes.
All of this sounds lovely - but in reality - any "uniting" that goes on must be between the diddy clubs and nothing to do with Sevco (or Celtic). This is a once in a generation opportunity to re-calibrate the game in Scotland in such a way that the diddy clubs are run in a completely independent way with little or no reliance on two "institushuns" that would drop the rest of us like a stone if the opportunity to play anywhere else presented itself. The OF will always act in their own self interest and that is often incompatible with the interests of the smaller clubs - so we must not rely on them or factor their continued participation in the SPL as a given.
I think the track record of the Non-OF clubs (to use the anachronism) in working together as a coherent bloc is laughable as everyone fought for petty scraps for themselves to the point where the OF could easily divide and conquer. I hope that the main positive outcome of this entire debacle is that the Diddy 40 have demonstrated that when acting together in some way (however imperfectly as we've seen with the SPL & SFL this week), they actually have a significant degree of influence that neither the OF or their apologists can prevent. If all goes to plan, that influence will become concrete with the abolition of the 11-1 voting farce and I think it is vital at that point that the false barrier between SPL and SFL is swept away. To me, it is ludicrous that a Motherwell, Kilmarnock or St Mirren (for example) will often act contrary to the interests of a Falkirk, Partick Thistle or Morton - ie - clubs they have much in common with - just as so as they can hang on the coat tails of 2 clubs that they have nothing in common with at all. Rangers and Celtic explicitly acted together despite their apparent rivalry due to their common interests and I think that the other clubs need to make a concrete effort to do the same to pool resources and to have a bigger voice than they can alone. I would like to see things like joint advertising/commercial deals/sponsorship, reciprocal arrangements for away fans, joint initiatives on building the community side of clubs and anything that secures the clubs without the help of Celtic and Zombie Rangers. There is a short opportunity to get something done and now is the time.
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Rangers newco: 'Big problem for Scottish society' if Rangers plunge to Third Division
Regan: 'There would be a slow lingering death for football in Scotland' (SNS)
Regan: 'There would be a slow lingering death for football in Scotland' (SNS)
By STEPHEN HALLIDAY
Published on Wednesday 4 July 2012 21:26
SCOTTISH Football Association chief executive Stewart Regan has issued a startling warning of "social unrest" in Scotland if newco Rangers are denied entry to the First Division of the Scottish Football League following the emphatic rejection today of their application to retain top-flight football at Ibrox.
Regan's remarkable comment came as he insisted admission to the First Division is now the only viable option if Scottish football wishes to avoid what he described as a "slow, lingering death".
Regan bluntly asserted that Scottish football simply cannot afford to have Rangers outwith the top two tiers of the league structure, with his argument not confined to the commercial impact their absence would have.
"Without Rangers, there is social unrest and a big problem for Scottish society," claimed Regan. "They have a huge fan base and to contemplate the situation where those fans don't have a team to support, where those fans are effectively left without a game to follow, I just think that could lead to all sorts of issues, all sorts of problems for the game.
"Tribalism in football is really important. It is part of the game. People follow their clubs with pride, it is passed down from generation to generation. There are thousands of Rangers fans whose fathers and parents and grandfathers have been Rangers fans. You can't contemplate a situation without that and if Rangers weren't to exist that could have real dire consequences.
I thought it was difficult to plumb new depths in scaremongering hyperbole after these long months - but by f**k, Regan has managed it against all odds.
This level of pish moves on from the intelligence insulting drivel that we've been dealing with into some dangerous territory. The minute we start talking about "unrest", etc (for which there is no factual basis at all), I think it only serves to whip things up further in what is already a tense situation.
Utterly irresponsible from the senior exec in Scottish Football to drag the debate to the lowest possible level and the statement makes his position completely untenable.
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Raith and Falkirk both confirmed NO to SFL1
Is voting in the SFL done by divisions (ie first division clubs only get a say on first division matters) or do the entire SFL get a vote? I understood it to be that it was everyone. Reason I ask is that presumably, a lot of second and third division chairmen would prefer Sevco to pass through their leagues first to get some sort of commercial benefit and so would kybosh the direct entry to the first.
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Just been listening to Keith "petted lip "Jackson on Talksport. Unbelievable pish he spouts. Apparently it's all the fault of us internet forum loudmouths that his dear Rangers are being punished. We are a small vocal minority that has forced our clubs to "punish" the Rangers unjustifiably. It was all Craig Whyte's fault according to Keith.
Ok Keith since you appear to be a member of the hard of thinking club, here are a few facts;
* your club were cheating by using EBT's under Minty moonbeams not Craig Whyte;
* your club ran up an astronomical amount of debt thus killing yourselves;
* you club had absolutely no sympathy for Airdrie when they were in trouble;
* your club wanted to leave the SPL and would have done so if the opportunity presented itself:
* Rangers have had one punishment a ten point deduction which was tokenistic and had no impact whatsoever on income:
* the vote is against a NEWCO you half wit, your Rangers are DEAD, this is not a punishment;
* the one punishment Rangers received was foolishly appealed;
and I think you will find that 90% of the fans of other SPL clubs don't want newco. Hardly a minority. I have colleagues that can help you with numeracy problems please attend one of our classes.
I await with bated breath for the punishments for Rangers to actually really begin.
Internet Forum loudmouth and proud of it.
Great post - nae greenies left though...
I love to see the Red Top hacks who have benefitted greatly from their cosy wee relationship with Rangers over the years flailing around impotently, looking for someone else to blame. If they hadn't operated like a OF version of Pravda for the past 30 years, then they might have some credibility and some readership outside of the mono-browed thicko demographic that they pander to. If Keith Jackson hadn't made a career out of sycophantic puff pieces and shite Rangers/Celtic transfer rumours, he might have a shred of credibility left after this debacle - but in reality he is left looking like a total tit.
Anyone that derides social media of any sort as some sort of minority pursuit or somehow unrepresentative of society is 5 - 10 years out of date with their thinking and the hacks that refuse to embrace it are on their way out as the circulation of the dead tree press goes inexorably down the shiter. By the time one of Jackson's "exclusives" hit the shops now, we all know about it, have discussed it, posted a cheeky GIF or two about it and moved on.
Does anyone want to admit that they go to the sports press now as their first source of info or analysis about Scottish football or in any way view what they read in a paper as authoritative? Thought not.
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Absolutely gutted. Who will fly the flag for St Mirren now? Who will reveal all the exclusives from West Coast clubs? And, most importantly of all, who will be stupid enough to give the wee slap-heid another gig?
But, but - The Columns! Chick's lovely, incisive columns on the BBC Website! Everything I know about football I learned from reading Chick's insights. So what if they were riddled with cliche, tortured metaphors and inaccuracies - I for one was proud that my license fee helped in some small way to keep that wee bawbag in a job 10 years past his fucking sell-by date
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Just watching Lifers on channel 4, a guy decked out in Rangers top with a Rangers duvet is featured. Killed someone in a football related rage apparently and will never be released from prison. The fact he's got no future probably allows him to relate to his club.
Probably one of the "Decent Rangers Fans" we're always hearing about.
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. His arsehole has been cocked more times than Davy Crockett's rifle
That's about a quid's worth of Lagavulin 16yo being mopped up now ya bastart.
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Inverness, Aberdeen, Dundee United, St Johnston, Hearts and Hibs. All said NO
Who said their wasn't an East/West divide?
Go on, Killie, Motherwell, Saint Mirren and Celtic. Prove me wrong!!
Did my bit today
Felt good.
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Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!
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Celtic have also come out of this fiasco looking pretty impotent. They have done their business behind closed doors and using others as a proxy which was possibly a good strategy - but given that Sevco in the bottom tier is the worst possible financial outcome for Celtic PLC, their approach has been a dismal failure. A number of parties (SFA, SPL, the former OF, the MSM) have had a bit of a rude awakening regards how much influence they really have over the Diddy Clubs and their supporters.
I'm ready to move on from all this pish and get on with the season as the CL draw is on Friday - but the one thing I still need to see resolved is the removal of the 11-1 voting. Once that's done - we can deal with whatever consequences are in store.