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Alex Thomson has tweeted that he has spoken to the SFA, as follows:
- SFA told #c4news Campbell Ogilvie 'did not know' about EBT contract when he was Rangers FC secretary?
- When we asked why not - thaty was his job - SFA said they didn't know.
- Interesting SFA have just accused me of 'lying', 'pig-headedness' and then put the phone down mid-conversation....
- all because I put their own statement back to them that Campbell Ogilvie denied knowing about EBTs at Rangers...
- And suggested there might be a perceived conflict of interest in his current position until the investigations are complete
To make this even more of a soap opera, Stewart Regan has just tweeted Thomson
Stewart M. Regan @StewartRegan
@alextomo Please could you confirm who you have spoken to. thank you.
Do I detect the subtle PR skills of Daryl Broadfoot at play?
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Just typical of the ICT and Ross County supports who also have a 'big team'
I see the diddy team solidarity is beginning to fracture as it becomes apparent that Rangers still exist
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@BBCAlLamont: This from @bbcjimspence All 10 SPL clubs excluding Celtic and Rangers plan to meet next week to discuss radical changes to Scottish football
Ooft.
Ah - the thread that keeps on giving
Celtic might feel lonely in future without their big pal to back them up
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I don't like him.
He's a noted green bigot apologist and a Neil Lennon fanboy.
Can't say I've noticed quite honestly..
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Thank god at least one person in the media/press seems to think the whole situation is as farcical as we do!!!!
Looks like Tom English has been researching this thread
(I do like his stuff normally - one of the better sportswriters)
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I seen The Sky at Night a few days ago and poor old Patrick looks in terrible nick
He'll still outlive Rangers though.
He looks like a marshmallow with a monacle stuck on it.
So why is Chick clarting in his nappy and predicting the end of the world?
Because him and plenty of other professional Rangers sooks know that they don't have the knowledge of other Scottish clubs to make a living if Rangers disappeared.....
Richard Gordon: So Chick, any team news on the St Johnstone vs Kilmarnock game
Chick: Who?
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Chick "fud Young"
http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland/17295379
Apologies if this has been posted,difficult to keep up
Chick's summing up:
They will simply evaporate from our sport and, with them, the television companies who see that, without Old Firm matches, the Scottish game is about as showbiz as The Sky at Night.Spoken like a true St Mirren man
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Here's a bit of a daft question, but I'm looking for opinions on people, who have a decent memory of what the excitement of football was like in the latter years of the top league before the SPL. I ask only because I was too young to know what it was like
You know, when Rangers were dominating cheating and Celtic were struggling to keep second. Compared to those days, was there that much of a contrast in excitement to the league in the present?For excitement - I guess that will depend on which team's fans you ask. It was exciting for 'Well fans as when Celtic were in the grubber - we had one of our best teams, played in Europe and finished second and third - we also had a couple of relegation battles neatly illustrating that diddy teams are nothing if not utterly inconsistent year by year. Raith Rovers fans probably look on it as a golden age
I don't see a huge difference between late SPD and now - I think a lot is made of the decline in quality, but I don't see it. My memory of mid-90's football is far too many foreign haddies in the league, one half of the OF Weak, the other strong. There were still shite games in front of small crowds then - some clubs were skint, others weren't. I know a lot of people like to use "SPL" to cite stats, etc - but I just view the "Premier" as a constant since I started going in the 80's.0 -
Motherwell fans I'm so sorry to say this, but I hope you drop 2 points in the next 2 games. You'll just have to pump Rangers at FP to make up the difference.
I actually think that in our next two league games against Aberdeen and Killie, we might see the type of Refereeing performances usually reserved for OF teams - a wee 50/50 here, a softish penalty there, so that 'Well have enough points to avoid Celtic winning the league at Ibrox and the armageddon that would follow......
In any case, I prefer the scenario outlined a few pages back where Rangers come to Fir Park knowing that a win for them hands Celtic the title, a win for us puts us ahead in second place. The number of furrowed mono-brows in the South Stand trying to work out what result they want will be worth the gate money alone
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D&P could liquidate the assets prior to liquidating the company. Rangers Newco 2012 (Paul Murray, Dave King or whoever) could buy the assets (Murray Park and Ibrox, players' registrations) without the debts.
Paul Murray's group could get a new company set up.... Glasgow Rangers Football Club 2012 PLC?
The Newco can apply for Associate Membership of the SFA. Not a problem. They will also have to apply to the SFA for licence. Despite the SFA rules say that 3 years accounts are required they would just say 'Not trading'..... Licence issued.
The Newco then applies to the SPL to have the SPL share transferred to the Newco. Requires approval of SPL Board following consideration by the clubs. Money talks and very nervous Chairmen give it the nod...... Share transferred.
All of this needs to be carried out before Rangers Football Club PLC is necessarily liquidated.
It may be that if the Newco plays at Ibrox they could still get involved in Ticketus litigation. So they may decide to play at Hampden until season 2015-2016
What could emerge is a profitable and substantially debt free Rangers with same ground, strip and history.
Simple?
Playing at Hampden isn't simple as SFL & SPL clubs can't share a grun - so that part is maybe a step too far. They could share Parkhead though
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Selling the champions league music CD to Motherwell will only gain them a fiver maximum.
We don't want one that has flute based version as a B-side
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I've no doubt someone's already knocked this up elsewhere, but the points totals for the SPL if you remove Rangers are as follows:
Celtic 72
Motherwell 51
Dundee Utd 40
St Johnstone 39
Hearts 35
Aberdeen 32
Kilmarnock 27
St Mirren 27
Inverness CT 27
Hibernian 23
Dunfermline 19
No real big changes to the running order. St Mirren and Kilmarnock are the big losers dropping 4 and 6 points respectively, and there might be a shift by a place or two there depending on how the goal difference changes.
Celtic only 21 points ahead having played a game more? The league title is on!
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Hmm, just a theory, they could be looking to flush out any buyers who aren't interested in anything other than paper talk. By keeping the players they offer a buyer the best squad available... but what about the season ticket money for the next three years? What about the big tax bill?
Unless there is some sort of deal we don't know about, surely no-one would take that on? Selling the whole side in the summer wouldn't come close to recouping £49 million. It doesn't resolve the lost Ticketus money, or the looming tax case, doesn't seem viable, and if there isn't an offer on the table soon, it makes severe redundancies and/or the big liquidiser justifiable.
The whole "keeping the fabric of the squad" thing doesn't make sense to me. Rangers could put together a squad in the close season that could comfortably finish second in the SPL with extreme ease and a low cost in terms of wages and no transfer fees. Surely if they can limp to the summer with a skeleton squad of U-19's and haddies, then it is far preferable to hemorrhaging money now?
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I just can't understand why they don't just pull the trigger! The administrators words and deeds are miles apart. They have the power to sack who they want today if things are as bad as they say.
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If Sky came out and said the deal would remain the same and they would still be interested in the rights to the SPL, then how many chairmen would vote against Rangers coming back in?
While Rangers are away in the lower leagues - we should have an SPL playoff at the end of the season between 1st and 2nd for the title. That way, even if Celtic were romping the league as would be expected, it would keep things interesting for TV until the last day of the season - even if Celtic would still likely win the one-off game....
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Presumably 'condition' No. 1 will be 'Offer does not apply in the event of a huge tax bill arriving in the letterbox, honest guv'.'
More Moonbeams.
But there must be a point when you attach so many conditions to protect yourself (Ibrox and MP owned by the club, no fallout from Ticketus, no liability for tax, playing squad still in place, club stays in SPL, etc, etc) that you get to the stage where it becomes a fairly pointless PR exerc.....ahhhh
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Call me a sceptic, but this has all the markers of a bid for PR purposes, in order to cement his position to take on a NewCo.
Why on Earth would anyone wish to buy the current Rangers before the big tax case is settled?
I don't see how anyone can make an offer when it can't be clear what they are buying in terms of assets and liabilities...
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What exactly have United done to deserve this fearsome ire?
Who knows - but it's nice to see the Rangers fans mindlessly lashing out at something else and giving their womenfolk a break.
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According to the current top dstory on the BBC football page they are looking to punt the players with value to clubs in countries where the transfer window is still open.
But they've had 3 weeks to do the punting - why are still talking about it?
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So the current TV deal requires 4 OF games but he 'believes' the new one doesn't. Firstly, does he not know the terms of the deal? Has he not read it? I would be very suprised if it doesn't have at least some renegotiaion clause allowing Sky to withdraw/dramatically reduce if the 4 main attractions do not materialise. So he is at the very least being disingenuous to imply that there will not be less tv money for SPL clubs if there are no OF games.
Very strange posture given that he was using the 4 OF games as a major argument against an expanded SPL just a few months back with the jist being that less OF games = smaller TV deal.
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Derry City were expelled from the LOI in 2009 because of "under the table" payments to players. The principle is the same, I would suggest - a scheme of paying players outwith their registered contracts (although in Derry's case it seems to have been to get round rules enforcing wages are no greater than 65% of turnover).
The implication is that the players were not properly registered - a parallel could be drawn to Sion earlier this season, perhaps? Given during the period in question Rangers have competed in Europe and earned a huge amount of money in return, if there is proof of wrongdoing I would expect UEFA to threaten the SFA, ie "hammer them or we will hammer you".
Given the time period in question, the inquiry is basically asking.... "Have Rangers cheated in the SPL for its entire existence?". I would imagine there is no precedent or even similar situation to the possibility that a team fielded potentially 100+ improperly registered players over a 14 year period (during which they reaped the rewards as the country's most successful club).
Not based on any facts - but my gut feeling is that if UEFA really started to look under the rocks to see the mechanisms that their member clubs have used to pay players over the years, they would have to hammer some far bigger names than Rangers....
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That is singularly the biggest load of pish I have seen from these fucking clowns in all my life ( and they have come up with a bucket load of pish ideas)
So to protect Ranjurs and Sellicks European ambitions they would punish the wee teams more harshly than the big teams. These cunts have lost it...They have totally lost the fucking plot.. ( and of course the scary thing is that they are our clubs, our chairmen.. Why don't they just assemble on the steps of Hampden, drop there pinstripe strides, bend over and let the fucking Old Firm rodger there arses. It would be much quicker and then we could just get on with it..)
This snash deserves it's own thread really....
My instant reaction to the idea to limit the punishment to "european" clubs is that it is entirely illogical. Look at Motherwell, Dundee and Livi - they all went into admin after over-spending in chasing 3rd place. Surely, these would be exactly the type of "financial doping" offences that deserve to be punished - ie - where a club rises above it's peer group by unsustainable spending? It is also completely possible that a club can reach the SPL by overspending in the 1st Division in a speculative way in the hope that SPL membership will pay off the "credit card" and then get into financial trouble. As far as I'm concerned, these "crimes" are equal and should be punished identically.
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Since 'Well were in the grubber 10 years ago - I've taken an interest in the way other administrations have gone up here and south of the border - and the pace of action from the administrators in this case just seems completely out of step with every other one. Given that they are hemorrhaging cash in a pretty spectacular way, I can't get my head round the fact that there hasn't been far more decisive action in terms of cutbacks to staff and other "obvious" outgoings. The administrators seem to be running Rangers in a "steady state" the way we saw Bryan Jackson do at Motherwell after the big cuts had been made - when I would be expecting things to be cut to the bare bones.
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You know, when Rangers were 
Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!
in Celtic v Rangers, Rangers v Celtic
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Do you know what I love about that answer? A scottish hack would have come back with some spluttering response trying to convince everyone that they're not a Celtic man. Alex thomson just slapped it down like the parochial shite it is - brilliant stuff.
The fact that a top journo is on this is great news.