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13 minutes ago, bennett said:
Sporting integrity must be on holiday right now.
Celtic only has the primary interests of other clubs at the forefront of their thinking?
Sporting integrity
the new we don’t do walking away.
It seems to me that Celtic aren’t the problem here nor are they the barrier to clubs being paid
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4 minutes ago, JTS98 said:
Certainly is.
Celtic will market the f**k out of nine-in-a-row and milk it for every pound from their fans. Then there's the issue of potential Champions League qualification.
Celtic are asking other clubs to grant them a license to make a lot of money.
Problem is, Celtic haven't won the league.
Which is of course is Hearts primary concern
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Just now, paranoid android said:
I didn't say celtic would benefit more than others - they would benefit by being awarded the title without playing all the games.
Whether it's widely accepted that celtic would win the league is arguable.
No one else but celtic cares about them going after four trebles.
No one else really gives a f**k about Hearts going down either except Hearts. Is there a point to be made here?
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2 minutes ago, JTS98 said:
Fucking hell!
So Celtic winning a 9th title on the bounce would be a bigger benefit to our club than Hearts squirming their way out of relegation and possibly disappearing into obscurity? Do you think so?
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Just now, paranoid android said:
Unlike how celtic voted, I suppose!
In what way does concluding benefit Celtic more than others? It was widely accepted Celtic would go on to win the league anyway however we will lose the opportunity to go after a quadruple treble.
id much rather see us play our games but it isn’t going to happen.
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30 minutes ago, JTS98 said:
Why not? What possible good comes from keeping the money back from the clubs?
Because it allows clubs to put their own self interest first.
if Hearts, Rangers and the the rest who voted no actually had the primary interest of the other clubs at the forefront of their thinking we wouldn’t actually be debating this.
we know why these clubs voted no and we know if has f**k all to do with them being concerned with the fate of others
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The meltdown is becoming most amusing.
The SPFL have made a rip roaring c**t of this however I don’t think payments should be made until,a consensus on the way forward is reached. Self serving fuckers wanting seasons null and voided or concluded without promotion/relagation etc all have their own self interest way ahead of those who are most likely to suffer. The irony of ICT and them not wanting to relegate teams, they were quite happy to pull that particular trigger in 2012 though when it suited them
Hopefully it motivates these clubs to screw the nut, conclude the season as its looking increasingly unlikely it will happen soon, pay out prize money based on league position and then everyone can focus on staying safe and keeping healthy until this shit is gone
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6 minutes ago, johnnydun said:
....because they haven't won it?
Not for us to decide what happens next
if the SPFL decide to end the season now im certain Celtic will be awarded the league and be champions, if it goes 38 games I’m certain Celtic will be champions having more points.
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1 minute ago, johnnydun said:
Just like you think (hope) Celtic will win the league. But not certain.
Regardless of context I believe Celtic will win the league wether that be 30 games or 38.
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2 minutes ago, johnnydun said:
You have clearly not been reading this thread close enough then.
I have stated several times that because no team has won anything, they should not be crowned as winners.
Your argument is so flaky that even you can't claim that the league is won.
Maybe I was ignoring you?
But my argument isn’t that Celtic have won but that Celtic should be awarded the league title and I don’t really see a good enough reason not to.
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2 minutes ago, A96 said:
Current league positions to be deemed irrelevant ,then ?
Nope just a flippant comment based on the fact I don’t think (hope) they make top 6.
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2 minutes ago, johnnydun said:
Said like a true ignoramus.
Shouldn't come on here with an argument then.
You missed the point on my feelings and your opinion.
And an ignoramus would have ignored you, I quite enjoy the argument if and when you decide to bring one
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2 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
They're currently sitting in fifth place with 3 games to go.
Just an opinion. One that may bite me on the arse but an opinion nonetheless
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Just now, johnnydun said:
And with that answer your argument has just become, well, null and void.
Lucky for me then I don’t really give much of a f**k about your opinion then, so I’ll crack on with my argument
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3 minutes ago, johnnydun said:
But,
Have Celtic won the league this season?
Not yet
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11 minutes ago, bennett said:
Split the money evenly between teams, it's the right thing to do in the circumstances.
Theres still 9 games to play so it's not done and dusted but celtic fans and celtic obviously will do all they can to get the title handed to them. I reckon that they'll get their way on this.
There's another section of the rules that I've seen which states that a season comprises of 38 games, the lawyers will have a field day over that.
I don’t actually disagree with the money being split to be fair. I think as a gesture it would be the correct thing to do
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1 minute ago, A96 said:
Do you seriously think it’s inconceivable that Celtic could drop 10 points from their remaining fixtures ?
Whilst it’s maybe unlikely , it’s hardly outwith the realms of possibility.
The Hvns beat them the last time they met and outplayed them in the League Cup Final. It is therefore unreasonable to simply assume that Celtic wouldn’t lose their next two games against the Hvns. Certainly not inconceivable that Celtic could lose both games.
Celtic have failed to beat Livingston in two of their three matches against them this season. Certainly not inconceivable that Celtic could draw their next match against Livvy.
Celtic drew away to Hibs earlier this season. Therefore , unreasonable to assume that Celtic would win their next match away to Hibs.
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It’s completely inconceivable that we would drop any more points against Livingston since we have played them on 3 occasions and they won’t make the top 6.
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4 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
This is not the silver bullet argument which people seem to think it is. SPFL rule C13 states that the Premiership season should consist of 38 matches, and the fact that the word "Season" is defined in that way in the glossary doesn't override that rule.
The statement in the glossary simply notes that the SPFL Board with has the flexibility to move the season end date to a different later date if necessary (for example if the Scottish Cup final took place after the final match). The dates are generally determined in advance of the season.
This is completely irrelevant. You can't base any sort of decision on this logic. It is still possible for Rangers to win the league, just as it is still possible for other teams lower down the divisions to win their leagues (for example Raith are only a point clear of Falkirk). And anyway, Celtic have already lost to Rangers and Livingston this season and also dropped points against Hibs, so it is certainly plausible that they could repeat those results in the remaining fixtures and drop 10 points.
Rangers have also lost to Celtic this season and dropped points to Aberdeen, Hearts, Hamilton and St Johnstone so it’s just as plausible if not more so Rangers would also drop points so a bit of a moot point really.
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Just now, johnnydun said:
Swerved beautifully, I’ll take it as a no
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3 minutes ago, johnnydun said:
Have Celtic won the league this season?
Would you put your mortgage on them not winning it?
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45 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
Why would they have to "close the season" to award prize money? It is within their power to award prize money however and whenever they want. As the SPFL outlined in their statement earlier, the prize money is paid in installments over the season anyway, and clubs are due (and will get) another payment in April.
If that’s the case I’ll concede the point and stand corrected but how can prize money be paid when the final rankings aren’t known? The maximum that could be paid to any team by April is £1.12 million since that’s the reward for finishing 12th? Which means 11 other clubs would be indeed missing out on much needed revenue surely
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38 minutes ago, bennett said:
With 9 games and 27 points to play for anything could happen, you can't just say that celtic should get the title because they'd have won it anyway. It's called a season for a reason, 38 games must be played for it to be valid.
The integrity of the league must be upheld.
Well I can because in the balance of probability Rangers based on form won’t win 27 points out of 27 and Celtic based on current form won’t take 13 from a possible 24.
The integrity of the league must be upheld, this the new we don’t do walking away or the Rangers are coming. Get that on a t-shirt pronto before it becomes much needed toilet paper.
But since you mention integrity again does the results of the previous 30 matches hold less value than the next 8 fixtures where results are undetermined?
The fact is the SPFL can end the season now if they wish as its otherwise determined by the board. That doesn’t undermine sporting integrity in the slightest as the notion of 38 games must being played is superseded by the above point. If UEFA get involved then that precedent has all ready been set.
I’d quite happily put any sum of money on this being simply a formality and look forward to the explosion, threats of legal action and our Govan neighbours going tonto like it’s 2012.
Worst case scenario is that the remaining games get played, Celtic will in all probability win the league. A point pretty much conceded by all sane Rangers men as quoted by your fellow bear just some posts ago
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On 15/03/2020 at 10:46, JTS98 said:
Of course, you'd be saying the same if Celtic were second and Rangers first.
I think Celtic will be given the title, and I'm fine with that. But you can't really argue with anyone who points out that you didn't actually win it.
There will forever be an asterisk.
Can’t stand them but even I couldn’t argue if the roles were reversed that they would be ahead based on merit and would be within their right to claim themselves as champions.
f**k sake that me cringe
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9 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:
Absolutely no sane Rangers fan would think the league (at the top end) was anything but over. Your manager, though, had a different view. As I have posted before:
Not his decision though either is it?
Christ Klopp won’t even hail his team as champions despite having double the gap we have to Rangers. If he had to come out say he thinks it won he would be slaughtered for his arrogance.
we could be 1 point away from the title I’d still expect him to say the same
The sporting integrity debate is laughable, disregarding the results of the previous 30 games in favour of what might happen over the next 8. End the season, pay out the prize money and keep clubs afloat and people in jobs. The longer it goes I fear for how many clubs actually line up for a restart or a new season
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The SPFL vote vote
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
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Ahh yes the statement where Budge credits no one with any intelligence whatsoever.
League reconstruction where the biggest beneficiaries of such a proposal would be who?