Chazza1910

Keevins on Talksport right now, spouting the usual, though he's not the worst. Presenters giving it back to him though.

Agreed. One of the most puzzling things about this is why Dundee haven't been confirmed as Club 12 yet. They were told they couldn't vote today, which made no sense as Rangers are already out of the SPL. Unless the SFA are worried about a legal challenge from the Pars. Now I'm reading today that all 30 clubs have to vote, no abstentions. Again, that can't be right, clubs can abstain, unless they're trying to drum up as many Yes votes as possible. We know where Ballantyne's sympathies lie. Once the SFL vote is confirmed that Rangers go to the Third Division, I can only see two scenarios: SPL2 immediately, with Dundee, Dunfermline and Falkirk up; Rangers in SPL2. Which would explain the above delay. "Fixtures meltdown". That would be staggering at such short notice. Rangers suspended for a year, which would neatly take in the SFA punishment on the disrepute charge, and give them time to sort out SPL1&2 for next season. Staggering again, as suddenly plans for SPFL, and a great future for the Scottish game, are abandoned for something completely different, with the SFL shafted. AGAIN. God, all this is down to one club. Let's hope some good comes out of it. I genuinely believe that the SFA fear for the top flight, and don't just want to save Rangers. They are terrified, in fact.

Thanks. Now I feel justified in wishing nothing but failure on the SFA/SPL. In fact, they are coming out of this worse than Rangers now. I think Rangers would bounce back, eventually, so what's the big deal? Maybe in the minority here, but I'd be happy for them to be humbled in the Third Division. I don't want to see them vanish altogether. That would be too swift. Years of suffering is much more fun.

No-one's actually come out and broken down in financial terms how Rangers in the Third Division is bad for Scottish football, unless I've missed it. Not that £16m loss shite, take it or leave it. Am I being naive here. If the fans were given more information on the financial implications, we might trust the SFA/SPL a bit more. But no, it's all up in the clouds somewhere, like rain. It may fall, it may not. Assuming it's the TV money, because surely any loss at the gate cannot be that huge.

They'll lose the BTC. Told that months ago. I'm sure that's what's influenced events so far, the fact that Rangers are so guilty of so many crimes that not even the SFA could turn a blind eye to it. Forget any semblance of recognition of their guilt by Doncaster. He is away with the fairies and it is only down to to the SPL chairmen that the SPL has kept some dignity. Doncaster has been so overwhelmed by events that he can barely keep upright. He's gone.

To be fair, Kilmarnock would be top of most people's list if asked who might suffer because of Rangers' corrupt practices. But they'll have to get through it or accept they've been living too close to the edge for years and sort it out. Tip: wait till the season's started and they can only hand you a whopping points deduction if you go into admin. As for Rangers, it's ta ta for now. Just as well they're going to the Third as they'd be out of their depth in the First. Mid table at best. What a hoot it would be to see them struggle in the First. Stick it right up the SFA and SPL chiefs. But I still can't square Regan's First Div stance with his comment that Rangers could "realistically expect a suspension".

Dunfermline can have the SPL place as far as I'm concerned. I'd feel better about it that way rather than getting the usual barbs thrown at us. Honestly, i mean that. Too little time to prepare for it all now. And, dare I say it, life in the First ain't all bad. And where's the campaign to get Dundee up?

I'd be delighted if Dundee withdrew their SPL application and ecstatic if Dunfermline followed suit. That would sort this lot out. Oh, and Dunfermline's undignified scrambling to be admitted is starting to piss me off a bit.

Bit late with this, but sunning myself in Tuscany. About 30C in blazing sunshine. Where's that tit who said Celtic wouldn't vote no? In response to me saying they were a stick-on. Think he was a foreign-based St Mirren fan, some diddy team like that.

And what the hell has happened to the League Cup draw? No time to play it this year, with all these meetings going on?

I reckon there's about ten who won't be voting for Rangers, inc two abstentions. Stirling, Airdrie, Dundee, Dunfermline, Clyde, Raith, Peterhead, Morton, Falkirk. That's nine. Alloa, Annan? So they need 16 out of 20 to vote 'yes'. They are: Cowdenbeath, Hamilton.... Keep me right here.

Sorry, but if six SPL clubs (allegedly) face ruin, is that not an SPL matter? What's it got to do with the SFL? Who have been p***ed on ever since 1998 by the SPL? The SPL has to help them out. (I know Dundee have a foot in both camps, then and now, but still see SPL as 'them' and SFL as 'us')

If somehow The Rangers get into the First, we've got to make sure they don't get out of it, upwards anyway, because this stinks to high heaven. Boo them from first to last, and it would help if all other clubs stuck it right up them on the park.

I didn't say he was corrupt, but that his values were. And they are.

That is scandalous, and a sacking offence. Hints at corrupt values, where financial gain overrules sporting integrity. Doncaster has to go.

Look at Spencey's tweet of Doncaster plea. Warning: Take a lot valium first!!

Anybody counting the reconfirmed No votes? St Johnstone, Dundee Utd, Aberdeen. Surely we can add Hibs and Hearts to that lot.

Dundee join Airdrie in abstaining. Let's get his right. What's the SFL Motion going to be? Do you want Rangers in SFL First/Third Division? And it has to be 23 for. So abstensions count against the Rangers. That's my reading of it.

How can we get through to the Record without having a Facebook account? Anybody tried to point out to them their pro-Rangers stance will cost them a lot of readers?

Sorry if this was posted earlier today but didn't see it. Ewing Grahame goes for Longmuir's jugular. http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/330177/League-chief-faces-tough-questions Plus this is good too http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/stuart-bathgate-shoehorn-rangers-in-and-all-credibility-is-lost-1-2387311

He's a big Rangers fan isn't he? In my innocence i didn't know the other word was offensive.

It's because he's a ***, surely!

Celtic are scared. Good. Absolutely excellent. It's them who have a massive operation to fund, not the 'diddy' clubs. Get on with it, and stop bothering the rest of us.

To show Traynor's depth and grasp of all things non-OF, he once devoted almost an entire 'Your Call' to a Barry Ferguson injury scare. On another point, I've been disappointed that Dundee have not condemned the Newco into Div 1 scenario, but suppose we're not in a position to condemn anything, with our recent history. Even fired off an e-mail to our CEO. Still hope he votes the right way behind closed doors!

Rangers Tax Case tweet: "Traynor is right to be afraid. Decades invested in sycophancy could be rendered worthless by people he has ignored his entire career." Nail. Hit. Head.