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S'alright, I found the twitter. A Dundee fans page says it's on the back page of the Tully, which I'm guessing is the Telegraph. It's not on their online page though, which has three Dundee FC stories dated today.
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Just now, BottiBiabi said:
This came from twitter, however, the image that has been put on the COYB page further backs it up. Is there a reason why you are doubting this or is it just a hunch?It's the twin facts that the story doesn't appear online and the date has been (I suspect) deliberately omitted from the cutting I saw. What Twitter is it?
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1 hour ago, BottiBiabi said:
Loy to be given chance at Dens. Shite
Is there a reliable source for this?
The COYB page has what looks like a newspaper cutting with the words "Loy Handed Chance To Resurrect Dee Career". The cutting has no date and nothing to identify the newspaper.
However, a check of the websites for the local Dundee papers - the Evening Telegraph & Courier - show no such headlines. There are various stories dated today, but none about Loy. The nearest you get to it is a story in the Courier in which Neill McCann talks about bringing in four or five, and also included the quote "there might be boys who won't be here for whatever reason".
I think I'm smelling shite. Do you have info which can prove me wrong or are you just speculating based on the COYB post?
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19 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:
McHattie and Kevin McNaughton apparently training with you this week.
Won't take long to confirm or scotch that rumour because the boys report back tomorrow.
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29 minutes ago, Bairney The Dinosaur said:
That Bairns business twitter has let me down twice now, is it just some boy acting like he's ITK?
I think so. He got the Baird one right, but given that JB had already told the club he was intending to move on that was hardly a secret. Every other "X to be announced next week" story has seen the deadline pass and nothing happen. And there's been a few of those.
If the person running that page were betting on their own tips they'd be bankrupt by now.
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Just now, RC55 FFC said:
Nope.Fair enough. I knew the first story was wrong as soon as I read it and I have doubts about this one, but time will tell.
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10 minutes ago, RC55 FFC said:
Heard 3 but at least 2 yeah.Out of interest, was that the same source that told you at the Dundee Utd game that we would have a much younger team this year and that Houston was moving upstairs?
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15 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:
You are on thin fucking ice, my pedigree chum.
If your goading of these St Mirren fans comes back to haunt this thread I will be most displeased.It won't.
He may not get released from Dundee, he may get better offers from other SPL clubs which we can't match, but if it's a straight choice between us & St Mirren he won't be going to Paisley.
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8 minutes ago, Swordfishtrombone said:
While I absolutely agree with what you are saying here wasn't Kernaghan signed towards the end of the title winning season. I remember him being shoehorned into the team and being consistently mediocre and most of the fans thinking he was a bit duff but Yogi persevered. I think Colin Marshall might have been a mid season signing too. Sorry for boring pedantry.
Nothing to be sorry for; you're correct in both cases. I was working from a spreadsheet I keep and didn't check the arrival dates as I assumed they came in during the summer. A quick doublecheck shows that Kernaghan made his debut in January and Marshall in October. I actually thought Marshall looked alright when he played but Yogi never gave him much of a chance and he was released at the end of the season.
It pains me to say this, but........ apologies to Shadwell. (for quoting duff info). It strengthens my original point though, as there were two less signings to get excited over during the summer.
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5 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:
Campbell played 25 games and whilst not the greatest player did ok at championship level. We also brought in the likes of John O'Neill and Danny Mcbreen. Can you see Houston uncovering someone like mcbreen who did very well for us that season? No chance as he didn't play in the central belt and we had never came up against him. Andy thomson had pedigree from down south having played and scored a load of goals at the likes of qpr and returned 9 goals which wasn't bad as he only started 13 games. To get the likes of Duffy we had to beat off a number of other teams and that meant loosening the budget and making a real go of it. I just want us to look at following that success again.
You're moving the goalposts Shadwell. Your original post (paraphrasing here) was about an exciting summerful of signings before we went up. My recollection, backed up by stats, is that it didn't happen - Duffy excepted.
O'Neill had been at the club a year at that point, as he played, and was pretty poor, in the preceding season at Ochilview. McBreen didn't arrive until September as he spent preseason playing at the lofty heights of St Albans City.
I agree that I'd like to see us loosening the budget and beating off a number of other teams to sign someone who could bring success. The point is that the window of opportunity for doing that hasn't passed. If, as the rumours suggest, we're interested in Rory Loy, then that may be just what we're planning, but at the moment he's contracted to Dundee.
Would you rather we waited to see what happens, as we may be doing, or go and spend money on an unknown tomorrow just to get you excited?
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42 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:
We'd really make a go of it like the last season we went up. Some exciting signings and a real buzz about the club
Do you remember who we signed in the summer during the last season before we went up?
Mark Campbell from Ayr, who turned out to be the donkey that we all thought he would.
Former Livingston Asst Manager Alan Kernaghan, who was 38 years old at the time.
Colin Marshall, a young midfielder who was released after failing to make the grade at St Johnstone, who were in the same league as us at the time. (and would finish the season 3rd bottom)
Andy Thomson, who was pretty much the definition of a journeyman striker who failed to make the grade at Partick Thistle. The John Baird of his day, if you like.
Manuel Kante, who went on to play a total of two games - in the Stirlingshire Cup.
Pedro Moutinho who was a complete unknown at the time and came in because of Latapy.
And Darryl Duffy. I'll agree he was an exciting signing, though somehow I suspect that if we signed an ex-Old Firm youth tomorrow you would slag him off as a lazy signing rather than give him a chance.
I can't recall many of them giving me a "real buzz". In fact, after watching Hughes sign the like of James Sharp, Brent Rahim, Jason Lee, Davide Xausa & Colin McMenamin the season before I was expecting most of them to be duds. It was only when I went down to Blyth and watched us rip the Northumbrians apart 7-1 that I realised we might actually turn out decent.
I think your memories of that preseason are just a little hazy.
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8 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:
Whoever put the Kevin McHattie rumour in is either a top troll or just lucky, since the same rumour caused much seethe on this thread a year ago.
It's a load of rubbish.
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41 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:
The stock of the club had never been higher to be able to appoint an excellent experienced coach to take us on from Hughes and yet we didnt even interview for the bloody job.
We did interview for the job. I later spoke to one of the directors who was on the interview panel - he was the fans rep at the time - and he said that May got the job because he was the only one who had a plan. It was along the lines of "if you give me X amount of money I'll sign players Y & Z and they'll be good enough to ensure we don't go down".
We all know how that worked out.
I was told the names of the other candidates at the time but I've long since forgotten who they were.
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1 hour ago, Back Post Misses said:
Opposed to you who thinks nothing is wrong? So the balance coming from you should maybe treated the same as my view?
You know perfectly well I didn't say that. My point remains that I would like to see the players who are doing well at U20 level get the same opportunity that their predecessors got. Given the clamour on here for O' Hara to get games last season, I'm obviously not alone in that view. Nobody is shouting for Blues because (I presume) not many watch the U20s and he's not an attacking player. Shepherd seems to have been written off by many of our fans, though I'll concede that he didn't take many of the chances he got in the first team last season. The quality of Gallacher speak for itself.
And yes, I tend towards positivity rather than being negative. In some topics we share the same views, such as a former Chairman for example, but I'm hardly going to slag off someone on a messageboard when I'm likely to meet them in the corridor the next day. I prefer to praise in public and criticise in private. And being part of the club - even as a volunteer - gives me an insight which I sometimes use to defend folk whom I know personally. Is that really so wrong?
1 hour ago, Back Post Misses said:You are EVERY game taking photos. You have more stats about Falkirk than Sky Sports has on the EPL. You must speak to coaches/scouts?
You almost make that sound like an accusation.
Actually, I made a point of speaking to the FVFA coaches at their awards ceremony last night. They were all very positive about the young boys in the pipeline. For example, the U14s are apparently excellent - and that came from a coach who's a Dunfermline supporter! They also reckon a few of the lads we've just given contracts to are certainties to make it. In fairness, you would hardly expect them to turn round and say "aye, we're doing a shite job and producing crap".
1 hour ago, Back Post Misses said:You tell me who outside Gallacher from 16-20 at the club will make the impact of Sibbald, Wallace, Fulton, McGrandles, Kingsley and Alston did?
No idea. That's why I'm a fan and not a coach or scout. The four listed above are closest to the first team and the likes of Langton, Finlayson & Mitchell are probably the ones showing the most progress. I haven't seen enough of the new intake to judge, but McBride and Dunne have shown a few flashes which suggest they could turn into decent players.
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4 minutes ago, 60`s bairn said:
I`d say there are a handful in the current U20 squad that show varying degrees of promise, some are still at the early stages of development but one or two have had a couple of seasons at that level and are "kicking on" as the terminology goes. I`d be very surprised if Cameron Blues doesn`t make it into the first team this season. Mark Finlayson is another who has improved immensely during the last campaign.
Agreed. Bluesy is one of the ones I was thinking about when I used word "cruising". Marko can be brilliant going forward but still has a bit of room for improvement when defending. There's also a couple of others who've been MOTM one week and then anonymous the next. If they can add consistency then they have a chance.
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11 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:
I do find it rather bizarre that we have stories from multiple fans on here ablut the academy coaches freely telling them that we dont have anything coming through and they arent good enough etc.In fairness, the only one saying that is BPM and he tends to critical of most aspects of the club, so he's maybe not the most balanced of posters.
I don't think the standard is as bad as made out. The majority won't make it, as is always the case, but there are a few who're cruising through the Development League ATM. I wouldn't put my neck on the line by saying they'll definitely make it - or definitely fail - but I want to see them given the chance. Put them in, give them the same run of games that Fulton et al got and then we can judge properly.
And if you want to speak to someone who'll always be positive about our prospects, go talk to Alex Smith. He's achieved more in youth development than any of these unnamed academy coaches. There is a framed Swansea top hanging in the club which Kingsley, Fulton, Blair & Biabbi presented to him as a "thank you" for all he'd done for them. I trust his opinions more than those I read on a messageboard.
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You just know we're going to be away to Inverness on a Wednesday night......
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1 hour ago, Back Post Misses said:
You were saying ?
Interesting post BPM. Thanks for pointing it out as I didn't know this twitter feed existed.
Do you mind if I make a couple of observations?
Firstly, Bairns Business Club - whom I was referring to in my post - appear to be a different entity from this group. One is affiliated to FFC and the other appears to be a fans rumour page. A bit like One F, but more modern. Whether the people who run it do have insider information about transfers remains to be seen. I suspect not, though I may be proven wrong in time.
I say that because from reading their page I see they expected a bit of business to be announced on 26th May. That was never happening. I knew in advance what the dates were for the stories last week and the preceding Friday was never in the calendar. Nor the Monday, as they later posted. So they've already been proven wrong once.
The tweet you've posted went up about two hours ago, so there's another four days to go before we find out if they're right. Given that we know there are unsigned contract extensions, and that the club will be recruiting, it's hardly a big reveal if either of these forecasts prove accurate.
Time will tell. Do you really think this Twitter page will be more accurate than One F, P&B & COYB?
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12 minutes ago, ANEWHOPE said:
it really is the hope that kills you.
I succumbed to that once, in 1997. Never again. I was utterly devastated after that loss and for months afterwards I would walk into a pub, see the Tennents Lager branding and all the pain would come rushing back. It literally took me a couple of years to get over it.
Nowadays I just assume that we're going to fail. It makes it far easier to cope when the inevitable happens.
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20 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:
Yeah so why nothing when it comes to Gallacher who is supposed to be our most prized asset? If I was the bod I would want the fans to know that they have been doing everything in their power over the past few years to get him to extend his stay. I dont want to know the ins and outs of his offer but just that there is one that has been on the table for the past few years and he is refusing to sign it.
Oh, and the fact TG is still here shows that we did identify his potential early on.
Kyle Johnson joined from the Academy at the same time Tony did. He was released a few weeks back, after his two-year deal expired, whereas Gallacher will be returning for his third season at the end of the month. So he must either have got a longer initial deal than his peers or has already had it extended.
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1 minute ago, Shadwell Dog said:
Yeah so why nothing when it comes to Gallacher who is supposed to be our most prized asset? If I was the bod I would want the fans to know that they have been doing everything in their power over the past few years to get him to extend his stay. I dont want to know the ins and outs of his offer but just that there is one that has been on the table for the past few years and he is refusing to sign it.
He's only been with us two years as a professional. I wouldn't know at what point they may have decided to offer him an extension, but I suspect that if they have, and we get to January without a signature, then details will start to emerge. As they did with Sibbald.
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11 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:
You might be right they may have been offering him a long term deal for the past few years but if that is the case then let us know for christs sake. Usually we get told when a contract for a player(sibbald for example) is on the table .
The club don't announce these things on the website. I suppose that stands to reason, given that they should be confidential until a deal is concluded. Normally the only time we hear about them is after a negotiation stalls and a senior figure at the club lets it slip. For example,
the Sibbald one came out when the manager was speaking to the press and we've been told at AGMs and fans forums that the likes of Alston & Leahy had offers on the table from us. I believe Shepherd getting a new contract was mentioned at this seasons AGM too.
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11 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:
I'm sorry for pointing out the fact that other clubs seem to manage their developing youngsters contracts far better than we do. You've got to question whether its worth throwing even more money on project brave if our best young players are going to move on for a pittance having hardly played for the club which could clearly happen in this case.
The part about other clubs managing their youngsters better than us is debateable, given that you've listed one out of forty-two. I think it's fair to say that we do better than the majority. Hamilton have clearly been more successful at raising money than us, but one exception doesn't prove the rule IMO.
I think everyone has concerns about Project Brave which are understandable when you see the figures banded about. I'll reserve judgement until I see what the final structure looks like. At the moment though, the only additional cost to Falkirk are three extra youth players as we've doubled the normal intake from FVFA. I doubt their wages will be all that high.
The bit about "could clearly move on for a pittance" is speculation at this point. You always seem to assume worst-case scenarios and criticise accordingly. I prefer to wait and see.
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26 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:
Of course he'll not accept a new deal now. Its far too late. If he's so promising why has it taken so long? Perhaps we should be asking how come teams like Hamilton can get their most promising players to sign 4 year deals and yet we cant get ours to do it? Gallacher didn't suddenly become a promising player over night for christs sake. You need to get these guys on long term contracts early doors before other clubs come sniffing about them. The way they have dealt with the likes of McCarthy, Mccarthur and Crawford shows you how we should be looking after our young players to get the best return. Whether that be from playing a couple of 100 games for the first team or getting the maximum sell on fee available.
Who say's it's taken so long? You have no idea when the offer of a contract extension would have been made to him.
Re early doors, who says that a schoolboy (which he was at the time) with interest from England (even back then) would have accepted a four year deal from a Scottish Championship club?
How do you know we didn't try it by offering him one anyway?
Too many assumptions and too quick to condemn.
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The Falkirk FC Thread
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Cheers Keithgy. At least it's a genuine article then, even if it is four days old. I stand corrected.
Interesting though that it doesn't include any definite statements along the lines of "He's going nowhere" or "He's my number one striker next year".
And as often happens with newspapers, the headline writer takes a bit of poetic licence in order to grab your attention.
That article doesn't close the door IMO. Whether we can tempt him out through a door that's ajar and fight off any other suitors remains the question for me.