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And as for voting rights and having a say on promotion/relegation... I am sure there will be 30odd EoS teams (AT THE SAME LEVEL) with something to say about that!
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4 minutes ago, Pyramidic said:
However, I am sure that teams like Gretna 2008 and Dalbeattie Star would find relegation to LL2W a much healthier prospect than say relegation to SOSFL or EOSFL.
They would have the choice to reassign themselves and be relegated to the new tier 6 league (whatever they choose to call it)...no problems. The SoS should slowly start to be phased out, hopefully when there’s enough teams under the WoSFL banner to have a regional split at tier 8... simple!
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2 hours ago, Pyramidic said:
There is a logjam and only one organisation could quickly get things moving again and that is the Lowland League by establishing a Tier 6 league covering the west - in other words Lowland League Division 2 West. This would in my view be an attractive carrot which would enable the Pyramid to grow in the West.
So there initially would be the following structure:
Tier 5
Lowland League
Tier 6
1. LL Division 2 West
2. EOSL Premier (which might become LL Division 2 East eventually)
3. SOSL (which might drop to tier 7 in due course)
If you really think west clubs are that stupid that they can’t see that LL2WEST is EXACTLY the same thing as WoSFL, then maybe we just leave them playing juniors on their own because you are creating problems THAT ARE NOT THERE...
I give up though
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Not showing Gender or Fave Team anymore (for any member)... tried on Safari and Chrome on an IPhone.
Apart from that, looks all good. Liking the new layout, not played with the themes yet but I’ll get round to it
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2 hours ago, Whitburn Vale said:
Bonar Bridge were represented at the recent NCL agm.
They have applied to join for next season subject to a ground inspection etc.
Great news for the NCL to get up to 10 teams,a good turnaround in fortunes for the league in the last few years.
Great news, the pitch up the top of the hill always looks lush so no problems there I imagine
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52 minutes ago, Whitburn Vale said:
I would often go on holiday to nearby Whitehills as a lad and was often in Banff/Macduff.
Took to Vale back then and pop up a few times a seasons to see them spyro.
When they're doing well they get a half decent sized crowd following them.
Fond memories of victory's in the Scottish cup vs Elgin,Stirling and Linlithgow.
Lovely ground too, used to love driving past if I was working around there.
Think it was the Stirling Albion game I remember, took them to a replay...around 1993-94ish, baldy keeper
EDIT: Must have been the Keith game in 1995... that’ll explain the big crowd, 0-0 going on 0-5 of it wasn’t for the keeper, from my very dodgy memory!
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1 hour ago, parsforlife said:
going by womans world cup seems directive to refs is to be ridiculously petty with keepers for penalty's. This if VAR is involved then your screwed, unless your timing is absolutely spot on then the shots either going in or they'll get a re-take. Encroachment roundly ignored.
I’d be f**ked!
Doubt I was in my 6 yard box for half my penalty saves!
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2 hours ago, Whitburn Vale said:
Aye looking like Brora for the title next season.
Looking forward to next season without Cove being there!!
Would be happy with Vale finishing in the top 10.
Hope you are right with Vale... for some reason, before I’d set foot in the Highlands, I remember watching Scottish Cup highlights of a 0-0 draw at PRP. The keeper had a spectacular night, can’t even remember who they were playing, but the ground, the commitment, the atmosphere, the darkness, and being a young keeper myself, I’ve had a soft spot for them ever since...
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1 hour ago, HeartOfLothian said:
Jealousy is a really bad affliction Spyro. Why not just crawl back to the EoS section and concentrate on your own team.
Steady there lad, if you knew me and follow what I post, you’d know I’ve got all the time in the world for BR
It’s just that some of their supporters can be... hows best to put this... ever-so sensitive at times...
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3 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
If the LL can run the WoSFL at tier 6, why can't they run the EoSFL at tier 6?
Are you on the windup?
Ever get the feeling you’re being set-up?!
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6 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
A LL2 isn't necessarily to pander to the West Juniors outside the pyramid. It's as much, if not more, to do with the 6 "West of Scotland" teams in the LL that want a better feeder in place than what the SoS offers.
It's easier for them to create a LL2 than an independent WoSFL.
Then just create a WoS league at tier 6 and they can be relegated into that...
And as I said, it’ll make no difference whatsoever whether it’s called LL2 or WoSFL or The Ayrshire Appreciation Society, it can still be run the LL...BUT IT WOULD STILL BE TIER 6, alongside the EoS premier
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2 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:
...or maybe you don't understand my point? What difference does it make to the teams involved if the existing EoS Premier gets rebranded as LL2 East and the existing conferences become the LL3 East or whatever? At that point the ERSJFA is left negotiating entry as tier 8 or 9 through the PWG. In the West all the clubs that want to leave the SJFA for the pyramid could form an LL2 west and LL3 west etc leaving what's left of the WRSJFA negotiating entry below that in a similar sort of way.
What’s the difference between LL2west and WoSFL (run by the LL, EoS, TJ or Kim Jun Un)?
Why f**k about with the EoS when they have work hard to create something that others still haven’t bothered to do for themselves?
Do you think by calling it LL2west will encourage West teams to join up more than it being called the West of Scotland League? It’ll still be tier 6!
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Just put all the west teams in the SoS league, that’ll be easier surely?
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Just now, LongTimeLurker said:
...because it may be a lot easier to do than starting a WoSFL.
By taking the best team away from the EoS league setup, who have worked hard to create what they have now and have earned the right to be there, just to pander to the West teams who were never interested and haven’t bothered to do anything themselves?
Has your account been hacked or are you on the shot? It’s not like you to have such a mare...
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1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:
An LL2 east and west at tier 6 would provide a way around a lot of the blazer related politics. There's no obvious reason why there couldn't be an LL3 east and west as well if numbers in the west justified it.
1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:You could effectively merge the LL and EoS and add all the junior clubs in the west that want to join to lower tiers of the LL. Then the remaining juniors in the east and west could be at tier 9 or whatever with Tom Johnston still droning on about 250k toilet blocks. Only slight complication is how to handle the SoS League.
What’s with LL2 and 3?!
It doesn’t matter whether you call it WoSFL or LL2, it’ll still be tier 6... Why confuse matters then “merge EoS and LL” to accommodate the west teams?! Deary me!
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6 hours ago, JuniorFitbaforum said:
Bud you'll just go round and round in circles on here with the same old people who are always right.
Glad to have you on board at www.juniorfitba.freeforums.net
Feel free to join in the fitba chat for a refreshing change .
Cheers
I would troll your forum, but there no one on it so kinda pointless
Is that why yourself and Whitburnguy can spend so much time back here? So tragic...
You were all more than welcome on here, it’s not our faults that you and your mates can’t take criticism like mature adults and have to resort to this pathetic charade... it’s decent folk who support junior clubs who I feel sorry for as you are nothing but an embarrassment to the “grade” (Whatever the f**k that is, we’ve still no idea)
Away and look after your own forum. We get it, their a new forum in town, we won’t upset you with our triangular ways anymore.
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2 hours ago, invergowrie arab said:
The problem with Highland Perthshire, and IMO with Fort William, is that young people either leave- permanently or in the uni terms- or are employed in weekend economies based around tourism leaving little opportunity for a football team to properly establish itself
Yeah very true, same with the borders situation at the moment. Great league setup down there, just not enough young lads able to commit their time to teams for a whole season
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36 minutes ago, newcastle broon said:
Best pin it alongside these then BS7.
Pissed up arrogance is not the best way to earn friends in a new league set up
I envisage some burst bubbles, toy throwing and epic tantrums that even you could only dream of Newky within the first month of the league campaign. When a couple of decisions from ‘outsider’ refs go again them and the points total isn’t what they are ‘entitled’ to...
Fetch the popcorn, this could be entertaining
We need to organise a BR bingo card, of all the things guaranteed to be said on this thread before the season is over!
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54 minutes ago, Bonksy+HisChristianParade said:
Why would we? All the amateur teams from up that way are dreadful. Breadalbane, Vale of Atholl and Ballinluig are all very poor.
Purely on the basis that it’s a beautiful part of the country, there’s not a team for miles and would be an awesome away day... I am fully aware that they’re all “nowhere near that stage yet” and will likely never be.
But while Fort William manage to enter a team in the HL every season when most of the best footballers in the area are playing shinty, never say never. Especially if there is eventually a league or 2 below the HL for them to at least be competitive in if they were to sweep up all the best players from the area...
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4 minutes ago, Robert James said:
"Update" ?
Were any resolutions passed, or is this the usual Juniors shambolic fudge, with ambiguous outcomes, which leads to pyramid confusion and delay each season ?
For example, has it now been officially resolved that (i) the North Juniors are not entering the pyramid, (ii) the East Juniors can't enter whilst they don't have a single "superleague", and (iii) the West juniors will be entering (alone) in 2020/21, en bloc ? Thereby confirming that each Region's JFA, will be making its own decision in future ?
Or was the West 'split' over joining the pyramid, which seems to have been the views which some 'junior' posters have been suggesting recently ?
Or will the SJFA issue a formal pyramid announcement following its AGM ?
Can we expect a formal announcement from the SJFA about the pyramid ? Or is this too much to expect ?
In a word, No...
Looks like we’re back to hoping for a breakaway league in the west, the east juniors to implode and hell to freeze over in the highlands again
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15 hours ago, Cornishman said:
There have been many splendid ideas and proposals aired on this thread (which I've 'lurked' on for some time!). I'd now like to present my own modest proposal...
If one arranges a Division first into two (random?/regional?/league-place-ordered?) Conferences, followed by a halfway split & recombination into an 'upper/lower' pair of Conferences, one may operate Divisions with precisely 4/3rds. the number of teams in them compared to regular double-round-robin structured Divisions. This works as long as the total number of teams is divisible by four and results of all head-to-heads among qualified teams from the preliminary Conferences are retained in the upper/lower Conferences.
Ergo, we could have 24-team Divisions, playing a 34-match season... &/or... 28-team Divisions, playing a 40-match season.
That would respectively give 22/26 games each in the preliminary Conferences; 6/7 teams carry over their 10/12 head-to-head results; then the upper/lower Conferences kick-off with halfish-completed league tables and are finished via the teams playing their final 12/14 games versus those they've not yet played in the present season. 22+12/26+14.
The 'Premer Division' can, of course, be 'fixed' to provide the Glasgow OF pair with their four fixtures against each other (presuming that they both end up in the same upper or lower Conference for the end of season run-in!).
Advantages of this system...
(i)... Allows 1/3rd. more teams to compete in higher prestige League matches.
(ii).. Can provide high-interest derby matches in the first period of the season - if Conferences are split regionally.
(iii). The first period of the season Conferences 'split' exactly halfway through the middle, providing for that split to be made right at the point where statistically the highest number of teams with the closest points totals reside. Creating extra will-they/won't-they excitement for very many fans.
(iv).. The system provides a natural break at just the right time of year for the 'winter break'
(v)... There will be 'peril' for the last-placed team in the upper Conference, in the form of having to participate in promotion/relegation playoffs. There will also be 'reward' to be earned - in the form of playoffs for the top-2 in the lower Conference toward gaining Europa League entry.
(vi).. The upper Conference would be competing for the usual prizes & European competition entry, noting that the lowest of the would-be Europa League qualifiers would still be required to win playoffs versus the two best teams from the lower Conference (EoS-2018-19-style probably). Depending on the number of relegation places decreed in the League's rules; here I'm assuming four direct relegations and one or two playoff places; there will be a 'direct relegation line' drawn above the fourth-from-bottom position and a 'playoff zone line' drawn above either the 5th./6th.-from-bottom position - that dependent on whether a preliminary playoff be required between 6th.-bottom and 12th. from the upper Conference.
(vii). Competition prize money will be awarded strictly pro-rata, based on 'total points won over the 34/40 matches of the season'.
Disadvantages of this system...
(i)... The pattern of matches to be played might be a little tricky to understand by some, particularly in its inception season.
Well, there you have it. Not really that complex, yet still exercising for the old grey matter!
I would allow for just the one national Division, with each subsequent tier dividing the tier above in half in regional, then area and maybe district based Divisions/Conferences. I'd suspect that the 24-team model would be more popular than the 28-team one. If someone wishes to illustrate my model with spreadsheets/maps - feel free. It's not copyrighted and doing such things exceeds my capabilities! lol. Hope folks enjoy perusing and pondering on my modest model.
Ffs, took me all night to work out the first bit! I love it, but only because I’m a maths geek and l like sh1t like that...
I think we need to see how the EoS conferences work out this year and how many boardroom meltdowns it causes before we unleash a beast like that on the public though. Once my brain regroups, I’ll read the rest of it properly... looks interesting so far from the quick scan down I mustered out of my poor head
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36 minutes ago, Griffin said:
This splits the ERJFA and is frankly an untenable position leaving the current Tayside clubs to fend for themselves without regional representation.
It also splits the age group pathway in Tayside which is the more important point.
The regionalisation of the border for the split would solve this.I think he means scrap EJSFA completely, Taysiders go north to NoSJFA, Fifers go EoS, we pour petrol all over Perth & Kinross and quickly run away before Jeanfield turn all they lights on...
TBF, if we do it on a Saturday night, it’ll be Tuesday before anyone in Perth will even notice going by the nights out I’ve had there!
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1 hour ago, invergowrie arab said:
Did they not replace United when they left?
There is history of Perthshire teams though as Coupar Angus were part of the original Forfarshire FA.
Although given that this is a forum given to the utmost pedantry (and quite right too) Coupar Angus's ground was in Forfarshire when the association was founded in 1883 (although the town centre has always been in Perthshire) and remained so until Perthshire got the whole town in 1891.
And it’s daft wee things like that which make this place so good! Every day is a school day
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1 hour ago, JuniorFitbaforum said:
Another thread ruined by tiresome pyramid talk by same old culprits.
Agm thread now live
www.juniorfitba.freeforums.net
For junior fans ran by junior fans edging closer to 200 members in less than 3 days cheers
And to add to my previous comment...
About 5 or 6 of us, all with differing ideas and views, and it’s not descended into a slagging match!
Now go and take a look at the current Darvel thread (the old one had to be deleted) and tell me which one of the “same old culprits” caused that fiasco?
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Lowland League football, what is the future?
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The Highland League can potentially run with 19-20 teams, again, creating a problem that isn’t there