WullieI don't know the details of either leaving their previous clubs and I'm not getting excited about either signing until I see them play. Most on here including myself bought into Hartleys signings in the summer and see how that worked out. I honestly don't think, given our finances and the player pool we will be dealing in that we will bring anyone in that is going to impress us all before they have kicked a ball. It will be players who haven't set the heather alight at other clubs at our level or players who have maybe had personal issues at other clubs and have been punted. Just got to hope that Ray can mould a team out of what he signs and what's left to keep us up. I think he has one hell of a job on his hands.