Ad Lib Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 An absolute disgrace, from european football to scottish division three in a decade? the SFA management need to get a grip! Gretna went from European Football to Division Three in under 2 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) The decision isn't disgusting. The attitude of certain people on here is. So you can come off your fucking high horse because as I have stated many times I actually agree with you. There is no defence for the way the club has been run.At the end of the day loyalty will only get you so far in the situation we are now in. Under the proposed CVA, as far as I can gather, there was around £500,000 to pay creditors, with the football debt being cleared 100%. No one in their right mind will pay £500,000 for a Third Division team. Someone might pay considerably less, but will the creditors accept? OK, my unreserved apologies if I misunderstood your response. However I will take issue with you regarding moral high horses spat. The depths to which LFC have sunk in terms of fiscal morality would tend to make them think everyone else is on a moral high horse even when they are not. Other than that, my apology stands. Edited August 5, 2009 by Guest 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLD Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 all other 3rd division teams will be paying part time wages cause they are living within there means and will be a good starting point for Livi. If it was as simple as that I wouldn't be worried. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weekender Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 If there is an appeal the leagues cannot start. Well, for the sake of convenience, die Livingston Fc !!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Gretna went from European Football to Division Three in under 2 years. Yeah that was lol-tastic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWatt Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I'd be very surprised that the SFA have made this decision without taking account of the possibility of an appeal.I'd suspect that the consortium have been told off the record, if they appeal, and fail, the punishment will be harsher, ie expulsion from the SFL. Livingston could appeal. As far as I can see there is no timescale for this. To be seen to be acting reasonably, however, they would have to submit this immediately and it would be have to heard at an Emergency meeting prior to Saturday. The SFL have wide discretionary powers and have acted within these. An appeal would be fruitless, looked upon as them acting vexatiously and could, as you say, run the risk of a harsher punishment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Do those grapes taste sour ? How about now then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Sensible Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Are the SFL going to relegate Dundee for breaking insolvency rules? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNECKSTAGGIE Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) I'd be very surprised that the SFA have made this decision without taking account of the possibility of an appeal.I'd suspect that the consortium have been told off the record, if they appeal, and fail, the punishment will be harsher, ie expulsion from the SFL. The SFA had nothing to do with this decision, you need to sort out your acronyms! The only good thing about the SFL's rules being so vague and hazy is that the chances of an appeal succeeding are very slim. Who will fund any appeal? I wouldn't have thought that it is the Interim Manager's position to do this as I would have thought that it has nothing to do with him and I can't see the numpties who bought the club throwing away any more money. Edited August 5, 2009 by SNECKSTAGGIE 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgeios Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 IMO Its a sad day, Whos been punished here? Fans yes, player yes, back room staff yes whos getting off, that Greasy p***k, Im sorry livi.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrodqos Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 just happy to survive!!!!! Itake my hat of to you and maybe some of your fellow fans should take notice of what you have just said. This time last week a lot of them were saying they would just be happy to have a club to support EOS league or whatever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoss Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Are the SFL going to relegate Dundee for breaking insolvency rules? If they ever break them, I imagine so. Your point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weekender Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Should have bought your season tickets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Div Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Don't think there is really any scope for an appeal succeeding. As far as I can see the SFL have applied the same ruling to Livingston as they initially applied to Gretna before they snuffed it. If the new owners are serious about taking Livingston forward and wiping the slate clean then they should take their medicine and revise the business plan to return to first division football within the next 2 years. It's hard not to feel sorry for the Livi fans, it isn't their fault, but at the end of the day this is not the first time Livingston have been in this mess and they league management has to serve notice that financial mis-management won't be tolerated as it is neither fair on the other clubs in the league or to the creditors who are being screwed over. At least Livingston still have a place in the league. If their fans are real fans they'll go and watch the club regardless of which division they are in and if the side was good enough to play in the first division it should walk the third. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 If there is an appeal the leagues cannot start. Firstly to the appeal situation: Livingston have 2 routes of appeal, footballing and in the courts. Appeal to the SFL - is possible, but needs to be ratified or rejected by a Special GM of clubs (at which Annan will have no vote btw), and my understanding is that a Special GM takes 14 days to be called. I presume the SFL clubs could meet earlier, but it's been a stick point before. Livingston have 10 days to lodge an appeal against the sanction, alongwith a bond of £500.00. Under rule 76.3 of the SFL rules (see link), there is no right of appeal of Management Committee decisions regarding rules 28, 31, 32 or 70. In this case the rule is 76.2 but the league can surely make alterations to fixtures (28), promotion / relegation (31 and 32), and club registration (70) which would further hamper an attempted appeal. But they do have a right to appeal today's sanction, provided they do so within 10 days and lodge that £500 appeal bond when doing so. Appeal to the SFA - is possible, but would take time. The SFA is sovereign over all football here - and in non-league football, does quite often rule on points deductions/re-awarding cups/taking decisions where dispute has occurred etc. But this would be a confusing and frought approach. Appeal to the courts - can presumably bring the whole SFL to a standstill in fixture terms, but I'm unsure about the timescales of this, or the practicalities of the club launching such an bid? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoRdY_b Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Appeal to the good nature of First Division clubs. Why do the words "snowball" and "hell" spring to mind? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 The decision isn't disgusting. The attitude of certain people on here is. So you can come off your fucking high horse because as I have stated many times I actually agree with you. There is no defence for the way the club has been run.At the end of the day loyalty will only get you so far in the situation we are now in. Under the proposed CVA, as far as I can gather, there was around £500,000 to pay creditors, with the football debt being cleared 100%. No one in their right mind will pay £500,000 for a Third Division team. Someone might pay considerably less, but will the creditors accept? Alternatively, the club could totally rebudget, based on 3rd division football, and pay back its creditors in full without the need for a CVA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Alternatively, the club could totally rebudget, based on 3rd division football, and pay back its creditors in full without the need for a CVA. Only idiot clubs such as Ayr United do that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 The consortium should be too busy nicking the copper wiring from the walls to be lodging any appeals. They're fucked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qos_75 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Some of the Livi guys on here said they would rather be relegated than have a large points deduction in the 1st and suffer a long, slow relegation season. Is that still the case? I suppose they were thinking of relegation to the 2nd Division rather than straight down to the 3rd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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