Jump to content

Quick Question Thread


Recommended Posts

Should unpaid internships be stopped? This came up in conversation between me and some mates yesterday and it set me thinking. Yes, its exploitative, but at the same time, people take up these positions willingly, because they see the experience and networking opportunities as worth the effort. Obviously theyd prefer to be paid, but if they're happy enough to do work unpaid, why should they have to be? Does anyone else have an opinion on these?

I think P&B might be turning me into a market liberal. Thanks a bunch, Ad Lib, Swampy and H_B <_<

edit: although it doesnt help that the only 'socialist' worth reading on here is renton and he's not posting much atm.

The issue at the moment is less whether internships should be allowed to be unpaid, but what kind of work people are being made to do as "interns". All too often it's less experience-orientated and used as a means to exploit the system for free labour for what are essentially jobs in all but name. They're exploiting a situation where higher levels of unemployment in the 16-24 range correlates with a desire to get a foot in the door. My understanding of the law is that depending on the character of activity, internships will be deemed contracts of employment and there is then an obligation to pay the minimum wage in respect of hours worked, but the problem is there's next to zero enforcement of the provisions. The employer's argument (which I used to find persuasive but now less so) is that they would pay them if they could, but that they're not "worth" the minimum wage and they're not allowed to pay them less.

The major thing as well is that these internships often mean getting very little by way of expenses reimbursed. It ends up not simply being revenue neutral to the intern, but actually revenue negative where not all travel costs are met and living costs continue to exist. It creates a barrier to the market-place for those who cannot gain external support (e.g. family) until they build the experience to get into a paid position. The argument in respect of Universities is a similar one. The issue isn't the fees people are being charged, but the lack of maintenance support for those who could not otherwise go months, possibly years without a direct source of income.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I got the BCG when I was very wee. Probably two-ish (maybe three). The doctor/nurse hadn't done it before, so he ended up putting the needle in wrong, then taking it out and trying - and failing - again. By this time I was bawling my eyes out and trying to desperately get away from the needles. Eventually they got it right, after a few attempts :o

I have had a fear of getting injections ever since.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't have a car or anything so this might be a really obvious answers, but when someone sticks about £20 worth of petrol in their car how many litres is that?(roughly)

I ask because I noticed my Tesco receipt had 5p off every litre of petrol and it seemed like a small saving.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't have a car or anything so this might be a really obvious answers, but when someone sticks about £20 worth of petrol in their car how many litres is that?(roughly)

I ask because I noticed my Tesco receipt had 5p off every litre of petrol and it seemed like a small saving.

Really?

Probably @ 15 litres depending on where you live.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

My BCG scar is just above my elbow, nowhere near where everyone else has there's. Bluddy nurses dry.gif

I didnt scar! But then again according to the 6 needle thing you got weeks before it I didn't need the bloody thing

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Should unpaid internships be stopped? This came up in conversation between me and some mates yesterday and it set me thinking. Yes, its exploitative, but at the same time, people take up these positions willingly, because they see the experience and networking opportunities as worth the effort. Obviously theyd prefer to be paid, but if they're happy enough to do work unpaid, why should they have to be? Does anyone else have an opinion on these?

I think P&B might be turning me into a market liberal. Thanks a bunch, Ad Lib, Swampy and H_B <_<

edit: although it doesnt help that the only 'socialist' worth reading on here is renton and he's not posting much atm.

If you think you're possibly bored of socialism then read any post by "uni" and his inane, childish ramblings should ensure that you're put off completely.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Should unpaid internships be stopped? This came up in conversation between me and some mates yesterday and it set me thinking. Yes, its exploitative, but at the same time, people take up these positions willingly, because they see the experience and networking opportunities as worth the effort. Obviously theyd prefer to be paid, but if they're happy enough to do work unpaid, why should they have to be? Does anyone else have an opinion on these?

Yes, they discrimnate against those from lower income backgrounds.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes, they discrimnate against those from lower income backgrounds.

Full-time ones do, absolutely. Part-time ones, do they? I started in my current job as a volunteer doing seven hours a week, while also working full-time.

edit: also TBR I recovered from libertarianism over a year ago... I favour mixed-market solutions in line with European orthodoxy

Edited by Swampy
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Full-time ones do, absolutely. Part-time ones, do they? I started in my current job as a volunteer doing seven hours a week, while also working full-time.

Mmm, you;d need to take it on a case by case basis I suspect, but this is a fair point. When i think "internship" i think of the Americanised "6 week placement" type of thing, rather than someone volunteering a day.

edit: also TBR I recovered from libertarianism over a year ago... I favour mixed-market solutions in line with European orthodoxy

can you expand or define that at all?

In what way? Sorry just curious.

As Swampy points out, Young Graduate doing an unpaid full time intership at, for example, a PR firm is going t have to find an income stream outwith of the 35 hour work week the full time internship demands. Now they could keep up their weekend jobs, and work 7 day weeks but it's far from ideal.

I don't want this to descned to "rich wans" and the "Bank of Mummy and Daddy", but it will be easier for young people who have financial support to do unpaid internships, which tend to be in fairly elite indutries and organisations which under-represent peoplefrom low income backgrounds in the first place

Link to comment
Share on other sites

When you remove a private number plate from a car does the original number go back on the car by the dvla?

When the private plate is removed, the car must be re registered with the DVLA using the original number. :)

Edited by chuckles
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...