Michael W Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Not entirely sure why U-19s from Hearts are 'ready' but U-19s from Raith aren't, but ok. To clarify, I am not against us bringing in youth players from Hearts etc on loan, but our own deserve at least an equal chance. If they're not getting that, why are they here? In all honesty, I think McGlynn just doesn't have much faith in our young players. It does make me wonder why we bother with our youth system. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Bit of a bizzare one filling half our squad with Hearts players. What happens in Jan when they all go back? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 It must be bad if the bunnets are revolting. Of course the bunnets are revolting, they've not been washed since 1978... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Further to yesterdays news, one of my friends text me to tell me that he knows Jamie Walker, and that he is going to be playing for us tomorrow. I'd assume the deal hasn't been completed yet, and this is with a view to signing him (and probably the other 2 guys as well) on loan? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantene proV Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Further to yesterdays news, one of my friends text me to tell me that he knows Jamie Walker, and that he is going to be playing for us tomorrow. Who are we playing? Is it closed doors? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Who are we playing? Is it closed doors? He didn't say, although I think someone posted on here that we're playing Berwick Rangers in a closed doors match. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantene proV Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 He didn't say, although I think someone posted on here that we're playing Berwick Rangers in a closed doors match. Cheers. Would've popped along if it was Dalgety Bay or summat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) This kinda started out well.............. http://raithfantalk....um=raithfantalk Didn't last long, either someone saw sense or the mods deleted/edited the posts. Basicly, hellohello went off on one doing the "thread is gay malarky". Edited November 18, 2011 by Zen Archer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p&b is a disgrace Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 He's a knob. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whistle Blower Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 He's a knob. Spot on 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/other-sport/hearts_start_fast_tracking_youth_players_to_first_team_1_1977338 Seems as though the Hearts players are only going to be here until January, at least initially. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) http://www.scotsman...._team_1_1977338 Seems as though the Hearts players are only going to be here until January, at least initially. It has been officially announced today, you have the three till January. http://www.heartsfc....2241384_2523171 If you dont mind as a jambo, putting some information about the three. I regularly attend the Hearts under 19s game (place to go if you want to see a Hearts team playing well and usually beating teams.) The three players you have are the best 3 players in our 19s (a team currently topping the table.) I cant confess to have followed Raith Rovers too closely this season, however it was interesting to hear on the Terrace podcast that part of your problem is that McGlynn has failed to adapt the team without Tade and instead just launches the ball up the park. Well the good news is you have 3 players that allow you to play a different system. The three players are used to playing with the ball on the ground, with quick passing and movement. And can also press quickly upon the opposition when the opposition has the ball. Jason Holt is the pick of the three, Scottish under 19 player of the year last season. He has played a number of times for the Scotland under 19s and was also called up last month as a replacement in the Under 21 side. He is a CM who can be sitting alongside a defensive midfielder or more attacking behind the striker. Though he is tiny and looks like the side of a piece of paper he has been able to hold his own against guys much bigger then himself (though I imagine it may be a sharp learning curve for the first game or two.) He is a skillful player, has been compared to Barry Ferguson (before he went to Blackburn and was actually an amazing player.) He can hold onto the ball then pass it to the right person and nearly all the time it will go to that player. He also is very good running with the ball with at his feet and go direct through the centre of the park. He also is good at striking it outside the box (though he hasn't scored this season from that position.) Last season he scored 7 goals for the under 19s. He is an intelligent player and has good movement. Jamie Walker is a player who can play on the wings, upfront or even in the middle in an attacking midfield role. He was described two seasons ago by the head of our Youth Development as the best player he had seen through the academy in 15 years. Unfortunantly last season he missed most of the season with a bad injury (but in a handful of games (6 or 7) still scored 5 goals), but after missing the first few games this season has been getting better with each game. He is a player who likes to go forward, can be quite tricky and like most Wingers can be greedy at times. He is great ability and will always be looking for a chance to score or set others up. He has a great strike on him. David Smith is another player who can play in the middle of midfield but is mainly used as a left winger or a striker. He may not be quite as skillful as the other two but he still has plenty of ability. He is quick and is quite direct with his running at defences. He is a decent passer of the ball and has a great shot on him. He is an Scotland Under 19 internationalist (has also been an U17 and U16.) I see from reports that Denis Prychnenko has had a poor start for you since he came in. I would say dont write him off too quickly yet, a few times when he has been with competitive football for a few weeks (or in his case 6 months) he has been quite poor to start of, but over a few games he picks it up and is a handy player. I think he has found the first division a shock, but if he fails it wont be for not trying as he is a very hard worker, last season there were plenty of stories of coaches having to force him off the training ground as he had been staying behind so late to work on things and it also rubbed off on the other 19s players who upped the training level to be like him. I would caution expecting anything too quickly from these players, for the 3 new guys it is there first full experence of senior football (though Jason Holt and David smith got 10 and 20 minutes respectively in the last game of last season against Dundee United) so it may take a few games before they are up and running. With our policy from January looking like it is scrap most first team players and bring in youth, hopefully the loan period at Raith is very fruitful for them and hopefully gets you points to move up the table. Hopefully we can send more top youngsters to help you (and you help us by aiding their development) as there are a few other under 19s close to making the step up (I think one or both of our full backs will be the next to go up, you dont happen to need one do you (even a left back who used to be a Dunfermline youngster...) edit: just noticed my fellow youth reporter from Hearts has already posted with much the same, oh well, hope this adds anything on top of what he says. Edited November 22, 2011 by jamboinglasgow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) Good post, thank you. The terrace podcast is pretty much spot on - we are struggling big time without Tadé. The option to go long no longer works, and we are hampered by a team devoid of pace, which makes for slow, lumbering attacks. Hopefully the guys who've came in can help solve some of these problems! Out of interest, what did you make of Danny Thomson when you watched the U-19s? He's done a job when he's played here but McGlynn doesn't seem to rate him, much to the frustration of the supporters. Edited November 22, 2011 by Michael W 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 It has been officially announced today, you have the three till January. http://www.heartsfc....2241384_2523171 If you dont mind as a jambo, putting some information about the three. I regularly attend the Hearts under 19s game (place to go if you want to see a Hearts team playing well and usually beating teams.) The three players you have are the best 3 players in our 19s (a team currently topping the table.) I cant confess to have followed Raith Rovers too closely this season, however it was interesting to hear on the Terrace podcast that part of your problem is that McGlynn has failed to adapt the team without Tade and instead just launches the ball up the park. Well the good news is you have 3 players that allow you to play a different system. The three players are used to playing with the ball on the ground, with quick passing and movement. And can also press quickly upon the opposition when the opposition has the ball. Jason Holt is the pick of the three, Scottish under 19 player of the year last season. He has played a number of times for the Scotland under 19s and was also called up last month as a replacement in the Under 21 side. He is a CM who can be sitting alongside a defensive midfielder or more attacking behind the striker. Though he is tiny and looks like the side of a piece of paper he has been able to hold his own against guys much bigger then himself (though I imagine it may be a sharp learning curve for the first game or two.) He is a skillful player, has been compared to Barry Ferguson (before he went to Blackburn and was actually an amazing player.) He can hold onto the ball then pass it to the right person and nearly all the time it will go to that player. He also is very good running with the ball with at his feet and go direct through the centre of the park. He also is good at striking it outside the box (though he hasn't scored this season from that position.) Last season he scored 7 goals for the under 19s. He is an intelligent player and has good movement. Jamie Walker is a player who can play on the wings, upfront or even in the middle in an attacking midfield role. He was described two seasons ago by the head of our Youth Development as the best player he had seen through the academy in 15 years. Unfortunantly last season he missed most of the season with a bad injury (but in a handful of games (6 or 7) still scored 5 goals), but after missing the first few games this season has been getting better with each game. He is a player who likes to go forward, can be quite tricky and like most Wingers can be greedy at times. He is great ability and will always be looking for a chance to score or set others up. He has a great strike on him. David Smith is another player who can play in the middle of midfield but is mainly used as a left winger or a striker. He may not be quite as skillful as the other two but he still has plenty of ability. He is quick and is quite direct with his running at defences. He is a decent passer of the ball and has a great shot on him. He is an Scotland Under 19 internationalist (has also been an U17 and U16.) I see from reports that Denis Prychnenko has had a poor start for you since he came in. I would say dont write him off too quickly yet, a few times when he has been with competitive football for a few weeks (or in his case 6 months) he has been quite poor to start of, but over a few games he picks it up and is a handy player. I think he has found the first division a shock, but if he fails it wont be for not trying as he is a very hard worker, last season there were plenty of stories of coaches having to force him off the training ground as he had been staying behind so late to work on things and it also rubbed off on the other 19s players who upped the training level to be like him. I would caution expecting anything too quickly from these players, for the 3 new guys it is there first full experence of senior football (though Jason Holt and David smith got 10 and 20 minutes respectively in the last game of last season against Dundee United) so it may take a few games before they are up and running. With our policy from January looking like it is scrap most first team players and bring in youth, hopefully the loan period at Raith is very fruitful for them and hopefully gets you points to move up the table. Hopefully we can send more top youngsters to help you (and you help us by aiding their development) as there are a few other under 19s close to making the step up (I think one or both of our full backs will be the next to go up, you dont happen to need one do you (even a left back who used to be a Dunfermline youngster...) edit: just noticed my fellow youth reporter from Hearts has already posted with much the same, oh well, hope this adds anything on top of what he says. Sorry Bud, if you're an agent, we're skint. I'm prepared to see them play and I'll get back to you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Good post, thank you. The terrace podcast is pretty much spot on - we are struggling big time without Tadé. The option to go long no longer works, and we are hampered by a team devoid of pace, which makes for slow, lumbering attacks. Hopefully the guys who've came in can help solve some of these problems! Out of interest, what did you make of Danny Thomson when you watched the U-19s? He's done a job when he's played here but McGlynn doesn't seem to rate him, much to the supporters. Danny Thomson was a decent player for our 19s, though missed a whole season after getting a very bad injury first game of the season, he was good attacking player and useful in midfield. I think spending nearly the whole year last season not playing until he went on loan to Clyde for a month and even then didn't get many chances to play did not help his development (which I wont go into the rant but I still cant get over how stupid (or probably better saying how short sighted) some SPL chairmen were to scrap the reserve league.) It may be as FF says earlier on the style of football you play McGlynn doesn't think he is suited to it (which would beg the question why take him on loan in the first place) but should he change your style to one played more on the ground with quick passing, hitting the opposition at pace in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-2-2-1 then Danny can fit very nicely into that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Sorry Bud, if you're an agent, we're skint. I'm prepared to see them play and I'll get back to you. heh, thats ok. I am a bit of a rambler and do talk them up a bit. As I say, the problem with loan deals of inexperienced youngsters is you never know how they are going to cope, all I can do is hope they work hard and adapt quickly to playing in the first division as it looks like we need them to play SPL football from January. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) Danny Thomson was a decent player for our 19s, though missed a whole season after getting a very bad injury first game of the season, he was good attacking player and useful in midfield. I think spending nearly the whole year last season not playing until he went on loan to Clyde for a month and even then didn't get many chances to play did not help his development (which I wont go into the rant but I still cant get over how stupid (or probably better saying how short sighted) some SPL chairmen were to scrap the reserve league.) It may be as FF says earlier on the style of football you play McGlynn doesn't think he is suited to it (which would beg the question why take him on loan in the first place) but should he change your style to one played more on the ground with quick passing, hitting the opposition at pace in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-2-2-1 then Danny can fit very nicely into that. To be honest, none of our players are really suited to the style we're playing just now. Thomson's been used in the middle and on the right of midfield in his appearances, and has seemed to do well in both positions. Despite not having a particularly big physical presence, he's not afraid to get stuck in and is surprisingly decent at winning headers. Edited November 22, 2011 by Michael W 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 To be honest, none of our players are really suited to the style we're playing just now. Thomson's been used in the middle and on the right of midfield in his appearances, and has seemed to do well in both positions. Despite not having a particularly big physical presence, he's not afraid to get stuck in and is surprisingly decent at winning headers. Thats interesting, it shows you cant judge how a player is playing by the number of apperances they have, I keep seeing him coming off the bench and thought he must not be doing well when he plays. It sounds like he hasn't changed too much from U19. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Thats interesting, it shows you cant judge how a player is playing by the number of apperances they have, I keep seeing him coming off the bench and thought he must not be doing well when he plays. It sounds like he hasn't changed too much from U19. Danny Thomson has been solid for us. I'd actually go as far to say that out of all the previous Heart signings we've seen over the last five years, he has looked the best. Looks far better than Templeton, albeit Templeton was only about 18 or 19 when he was with us. I'd love to see him get more starts. The consensus against Ayr was that he was the wrong player to get subbed. I think if this carries on, we'll all be singing the Hearts song before long. Not that I'm complaining if they score. Please score! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pub car king Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I see the commercial department have appointed a pretty young blonde -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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