Aufc Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Normally we'd consider removing such ignorant, dangerous, views.But the self policing by others so decisively shooting them down seems better to me. I genuinely dont think that actual point is dangerous or ignorant. If someone is over weight then getting some structure about their life to allow them to get out and exercise more would be a massive benefit to them. Now I haven’t commented on how easy or difficult this will be and I already said that it is not a one stop solution for everyone 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said: I have a brutal '5 consecutive kids photo posts and you're on the ignore but stay friends list'. No exceptions. My colleague sent me a WhatsApp photo of her new born the other day and it took every bit of will power not to reply with "very good". Photo just reminded me of the baby in Trainspotting, but with a bit more colour. One of the few great things about lockdown has been the ability to dodge the new parents with kids too young to be interesting (and all they do is talk about the kid anyway). ... and yes, I'm a terrible person. "Congratulations on ripping your fanny to bits." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 I genuinely dont think that actual point is dangerous or ignorant. If someone is over weight then getting some structure about their life to allow them to get out and exercise more would be a massive benefit to them. Now I haven’t commented on how easy or difficult this will be and I already said that it is not a one stop solution for everyoneNot one person has said that exercise and routine isn't a good thing it's the complete ignorance to the fact that you seem to think depression is a lifestyle choice and people should just exercise instead of getting professional help which could save their life. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufc Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Not one person has said that exercise and routine isn't a good thing it's the complete ignorance to the fact that you seem to think depression is a lifestyle choice and people should just exercise instead of getting professional help which could save their life.I don’t think that’s what I said. I said that doctors are too quick to prescribe pills for it. As above, I said it’s not a one stop solution but it would likely help people with mild-moderate depression. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Nosejob Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, virginton said: Hence the sky-high obesity rates of the impoverished developing world. Yes, it’s probably one of the contributing factors. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2014/jan/03/obesity-soars-alarming-levels-developing-countries?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, Funky Nosejob said: Yes, it’s probably one of the contributing factors. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2014/jan/03/obesity-soars-alarming-levels-developing-countries?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other It quite clearly isn't, given that the rate of obesity is higher in the developed world. Well done on falling for a primary school level fail in your frantic Google-mining exercise though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Aufc said: His views are obviously rather extreme however I am a big advocate of exercise creating a healthy body and mind. Of course, it is not a one fit all solution, but if someone is feeling down because they are overweight then getting some structure in their life that will allow them to get some exercise to lose weight will, in my opinion, go a decent way to improving their mental health. That's obviously true, but it completely misses the point and in doing so is a massive, dangerous insult to people suffering from depression. If folk with depression could find the motivation to go for exercise they wouldn't be depressed. Depression makes you mentally incapable of forcing yourself to do things you should do or must do. People who want to die, or don't much care if they live or die, aren't going to take action to leave behind a fit corpse. Depression isn't the same as feeling a bit down, or tired, or stressed. It's not like the normal lower mood we all feel only a bit worse. It is a whole other category. If normal low mood is like a sprained wrist, depression is like an amputated arm. It's not that it doesn't work well, it's that it doesn't exist. Depression very often comes with under-eating or over-eating because the sufferer has lost the capacity to care about themselves. Same with exercise, personal hygiene... everyone surely knows this stuff by now. It's an insult because the person saying it must believe depression is a choice. That someone suffering with depression is doing it to themselves, on purpose, and could just choose not to. Go for a run, go to work, pull your socks up, snap out of it. It's all your own fault. That's ignorant AF and incredibly harmful to those suffering from mental illness. People with depression usually do think it's their own fault anyway, which is part of why they don't care or they hate themselves. Reinforcing that point will causes suicides. Listen to people with experience of it and not self-promoting roasters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 33 minutes ago, Aufc said: I don’t think that’s what I said. I said that doctors are too quick to prescribe pills for it. As above, I said it’s not a one stop solution but it would likely help people with mild-moderate depression. I'm not remotely qualified enough or informed enough to make that judgement, and I know you're not either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) While I'm here it might be the place to say that Viking-Ton is the reason I don't go on the depression thread. Edited June 25, 2021 by GordonS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, GordonS said: Depression isn't the same as feeling a bit down, or tired, or stressed. It's not like the normal lower mood we all feel only a bit worse. It is a whole other category. If normal low mood is like a sprained wrist, depression is like an amputated arm. It's not that it doesn't work well, it's that it doesn't exist. Depression very often comes with under-eating or over-eating because the sufferer has lost the capacity to care about themselves. Same with exercise, personal hygiene... everyone surely knows this stuff by now. It's an insult because the person saying it must believe depression is a choice. That someone suffering with depression is doing it to themselves, on purpose, and could just choose not to. Go for a run, go to work, pull your socks up, snap out of it. It's all your own fault. Gormless Gordon getting up on his soapbox based on a complete non-sequitur: house! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 I don't know what this says but I'd put money on it proving my point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, GordonS said: While I'm here it might be the place to say that Viking-Ton is the reason I don't go on the depression thread. Just now, GordonS said: I don't know what this says but I'd put money on it proving my point. ^^^ idiot found 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 51 minutes ago, Aufc said: I don’t think that’s what I said. I said that doctors are too quick to prescribe pills for it. As above, I said it’s not a one stop solution but it would likely help people with mild-moderate depression. What's wrong with providing pills ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Nosejob Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, GordonS said: I don't know what this says but I'd put money on it proving my point. Thanks. Perthshire Bell and Paul Cicero now have a new companion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 34 minutes ago, GordonS said: If folk with depression could find the motivation to go for exercise they wouldn't be depressed. Folk like Michael Phelps and Serena Williams? These folk have publicly stated that they have battled depression. I'd say they get a fair amount of exercise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonksy+HisChristianParade Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 You can guarantee GordonS opens every single virginton post. A sad little man. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 40 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Folk like Michael Phelps and Serena Williams? These folk have publicly stated that they have battled depression. I'd say they get a fair amount of exercise. Are you saying that because professional sports people can do it every body should? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufc Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 What's wrong with providing pills ?Nothing is wrong with it in some cases. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Are you saying that because professional sports people can do it every body should?I read that post as professional athletes are among the fittest in our society and even they suffer with depression so it's not as simple as saying exercise will 'cure' depression. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: 30 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Are you saying that because professional sports people can do it every body should? I read that post as professional athletes are among the fittest in our society and even they suffer with depression so it's not as simple as saying exercise will 'cure' depression. Ah, that would make sense. I was wondering. Naomi Osaka's not exactly the happiest right now either. She'd rather not play (and earn) at all than answer questions from the media. Edited June 25, 2021 by GordonS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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