kiwififer Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Many were Tories in disguise. actually, many were nutjobs as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 actually, many were nutjobs as well Very true,very true. Maybe The P & B regulars should stand.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Aha. But they are supposed to be. Is it wrong to continue to point out the failings of the bbc, particularly when it comes to their blatant left wing unionist bias in scotland? Yes they are supposed to be but they aren't. I'd scrap the license fee and let the BBC get itself to f**k to be honest. Their stance on Scottish politics doesn't actually interest me a jot. I've long since given up listening to their scottish political output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 Multiquote is difficult, but while the apprenticeship sounds good, Ill be interested in how they intend to pay for it. The living wage is an extension of an snp policy, and involves a fiscal transfer back to London. Laudable, but with the fiscal powers we have, a mistake. Not too bad a start. However, it all goes wrong. Firstly, a radical change? What radical change? Giving old people free helium balloons would be a radical change. You can't just say "change" without even a hint as to what this could be. Next, yes, there is a futures fund. The snp have just set it up. Labour have attacked it relentlessly. As for their knife crime pledge, that has already been discredited as the police do not want it, and it is regarded as ineffective by almost all political parties. This is iain grays pet project. The literacy figures have also long since been discredited. The one in five figure is wrong and misleading. And again, what do labour propose that is new? They've used the same rhetoric since 1999! I will give credit for labour managing to go five minutes without attacking Alex salmond though, and the apprenticeships proposal is decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 The BBC are not impartial. Despite The Guardian's readership being significantly below its competitors (i.e. The Times and Telegraph), 86% of BBC recruitment advertising went to it. If people want media plurality, complaining about Murdoch's Sky News/News Corp's 22% share of media consumption when the BBC command 39% is more than a bit odd. Indeed, you could combine the media consumption figures for Sky News, News Corp, ITN and ITV and it still wouldn't reach the BBC figure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwififer Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Very true,very true. Maybe The P & B regulars should stand.. You know I get the whole 'joining a political party to change the world' thing, being part of a movement etc, but the whole 'I am going to stand on my own to make where I live a better place', well it's all a bit batmanesque if you get what I mean. It's hardly cheap either IIRC, and I'm sure I have 101 other things to spend my money on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 While i can agree with this , the problem with "Independents" in the past ,is that many of them were not truly independent. Many were Tories in disguise. Possibly so. But they were never beholden to the party and they were truly independent as their title stated. A lot of the current independents are just party hacks that had a petty scuffle with some other fool in their party. Or resigned over some issue of "principle" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 ! I will give credit for labour managing to go five minutes without attacking Alex salmond though, and the apprenticeships proposal is decent. I thought that this had been accepted in the SNP Budget. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 You know I get the whole 'joining a political party to change the world' thing, being part of a movement etc, but the whole 'I am going to stand on my own to make where I live a better place', well it's all a bit batmanesque if you get what I mean. It's hardly cheap either IIRC, and I'm sure I have 101 other things to spend my money on. I don't think it costs anything to stand for your council. Maybe thats changed? My campaign leaflets were magnificent. It was around the time of the acid house stuff with the smilies and stuff. My leaflet was just a big smiley face saying Tory and a big sad smiley saying Labour. No promises no nothing. I raised our vote considerably... from double figures into treble figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwififer Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I don't think it costs anything to stand for your council. Maybe thats changed? My campaign leaflets were magnificent. It was around the time of the acid house stuff with the smilies and stuff. My leaflet was just a big smiley face saying Tory and a big sad smiley saying Labour. No promises no nothing. I raised our vote considerably... from double figures into treble figures. I actually thought it cost you money to stand but there you go. You still have to fork out for leaflets and other shite though. I just wouldn't want the hassle of being a councillor on my jack jones, it must take a rare breed to do it and yer right, it's normally some de-selected party official with a point to prove/unresloved grudge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I don't think it costs anything to stand for your council. Maybe thats changed? My campaign leaflets were magnificent. It was around the time of the acid house stuff with the smilies and stuff. My leaflet was just a big smiley face saying Tory and a big sad smiley saying Labour. No promises no nothing. I raised our vote considerably... from double figures into treble figures. that is magnificent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 that is magnificent. The best bit is that it was an official Conservative Party election leaflet. Published by them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 To run a campaign properly, you'd prob need a four figure sum for leaflets, website, adverts in local newspaper, blah, blah... ...a lot of money for a very uncertain cause, at present. Not to mention the time involved in spending years building up a local profile, campaigning on issues, being uppity and bumptious on behalf of ward residents whose elected councillor has ignored/dismissed/can't be arsed with their complaint, etc. Such costs are easily absorbed by a party machine who produce "local" literature centrally, but for a lone candidate and maybe a couple of pals willing to help out, it's a huge commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 The best bit is that it was an official Conservative Party election leaflet. Published by them I'm surprised you managed to get it approved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Multiquote is difficult, but while the apprenticeship sounds good, Ill be interested in how they intend to pay for it. The living wage is an extension of an snp policy, and involves a fiscal transfer back to London. Laudable, but with the fiscal powers we have, a mistake. Not too bad a start. However, it all goes wrong. Firstly, a radical change? What radical change? Giving old people free helium balloons would be a radical change. You can't just say "change" without even a hint as to what this could be. Next, yes, there is a futures fund. The snp have just set it up. Labour have attacked it relentlessly. As for their knife crime pledge, that has already been discredited as the police do not want it, and it is regarded as ineffective by almost all political parties. This is iain grays pet project. The literacy figures have also long since been discredited. The one in five figure is wrong and misleading. And again, what do labour propose that is new? They've used the same rhetoric since 1999! I will give credit for labour managing to go five minutes without attacking Alex salmond though, and the apprenticeships proposal is decent. I'm not sure I'd credit the Living wage as an extension of SNP policy, it's a concept that's been kicking about for ages and there are several UK pressure groups campaigning for it, Labour embraced it massively in the run up to the last Westminster election, indeed it was from a pulpit that Gordon Brown enthusiastically backed the living wage and was one of the few times he sounded genuinly human in public. As for the national care service, it's not just a Scottish Labour concept dreamed up on the spot, it was Burnhams pet back when he was Labour's health secretary - you can find the white paper here As for the future jobs fund, Labour had set it up down south, the coalition abolished it, everyone was a bit upset about it, cna you link me to Gray and Laobur attacking something that the wider party ostensibly set up.... I found one or two other things, Labour are making the right kind of noises regarding a low carbon economy, including getting more projects for renewable soff the gorund by making the applicaiton process easier, and getting more opportunities, will wait and see how that part get's fleshed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I'm surprised you managed to get it approved... Me too. I was chairman of the Young Conservatives at that time so maybe they thought I was respectable or something? I was a paper candidate for that election anyway, it was a safe Labour seat in a shitty area. I only did it to force the old crumbly socialist b*****d to work his area and spend some of Labours cash. Its all a bit more high tech nowadays though. One thing I do remember was being pissed off that Labour had changed from using hardboard for their lamp post display posters and went to corrugated plastic instead. They didn't burn nearly as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Very true,very true. Maybe The P & B regulars should stand.. What would a P&B ballot paper look like anyway? Reynard (UKIP- get off your arse and do it yourself-all politicians are c***s) Law Stud (Conservative Party candidate- Abolish the Welfare State) Ad Lib (Independent Libertarian candidate) renton (Official Labour Party candidate- Iain Gray) xbl (SNP- Putting Scotland First) Pink Freud (Liberal Democrat) Looking like a crowded right wing there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 What would a P&B ballot paper look like anyway? Reynard (UKIP- get off your arse and do it yourself-all politicians are c***s) Law Stud (Conservative Party candidate- Abolish the Welfare State) Ad Lib (Independent Libertarian candidate) renton (Official Labour Party candidate- Iain Gray) xbl (SNP- Putting Scotland First) Pink Freud (Liberal Democrat) Looking like a crowded right wing there. Away and f**k yourself you c**t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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renton Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Correct me if I'm wrong of course, but I felt my lefty credentials being impugned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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