Ivo den Bieman Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I was of course in deadly earnest, which presumably explains your entirely proportionate response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I was of course in deadly earnest, which presumably explains your entirely proportionate response. My apologies, I forgot the wee laughter smiley that would have more closely matched the tone I was going for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 anyway, with UKIP, Libertarian, Liberal and Tory candidates in there, that's what I meant by a "crowded right wing". you're comfortable enough in the soggy centre with the Nats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 What would a P&B ballot paper look like anyway? Reynard (UKIP- get off your arse and do it yourself-all politicians are c***s) Law Stud (Conservative Party candidate- Abolish the Welfare State) Ad Lib (Independent Libertarian candidate) renton (Official Labour Party candidate- Iain Gray) xbl (SNP- Putting Scotland First) Pink Freud (Liberal Democrat) Looking like a crowded right wing there. At least 3 of those candidates would probably want to abolish the body they were standing election to sit on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 anyway, with UKIP, Libertarian, Liberal and Tory candidates in there, that's what I meant by a "crowded right wing". you're comfortable enough in the soggy centre with the Nats Ye gads, you don't think I know what a dissapointment Labour generally are, you don't think their are times when I have to hold my nose when voting for them! I'm uncomfortable with the eventual Labour capitulation to neo-liberalism that we saw under Blair and Brown, but as it is, Labour are more likely to maintain the public services and protect the vulnerable far better than those vultures on the right. They may still find their consience at times as well. So Labour, largely aren't in the same place as me politically, but they are the best of a bad job - they are electable in a way that the green party, who's ideas for a fair equitable, mutual and sustainable low carbon economy I find very attractive - ultimately aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Ye gads, you don't think I know what a dissapointment Labour generally are, you don't think their are times when I have to hold my nose when voting for them! I'm uncomfortable with the eventual Labour capitulation to neo-liberalism that we saw under Blair and Brown, but as it is, Labour are more likely to maintain the public services and protect the vulnerable far better than those vultures on the right. They may still find their consience at times as well. So Labour, largely aren't in the same place as me politically, but they are the best of a bad job - they are electable in a way that the green party, who's ideas for a fair equitable, mutual and sustainable low carbon economy I find very attractive - ultimately aren't. No, you've written often in the past about your disappointment in Labour, it's just the continued vote for them that I can't fathom. If you find yourself in agreement with the Greens, why not encourage their growth by voting for them? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're a Fifer, so it's not like they'll miss your vote in your neck of the woods anyway. If you think the Greens genuinely offer a progressive voice and working towards a low carbon future then you should vote for them, IMO. You're hardly encouraging the growth of those ideas by continuing to vote Labour. Had Labour come back in mast summer they would have instituted cuts just as savage as those of the Coalition, so the idea that somehow they are the "best of a bad bunch", from my perspective, is a bit of a myth. Unbelievably, there are still folk in the Communist Party- still punting the "British Road to Socialism" despite the fact that it's at least 20 years out of date- who hold similar illusions in the Labour Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 No, you've written often in the past about your disappointment in Labour, it's just the continued vote for them that I can't fathom. If you find yourself in agreement with the Greens, why not encourage their growth by voting for them? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're a Fifer, so it's not like they'll miss your vote in your neck of the woods anyway. If you think the Greens genuinely offer a progressive voice and working towards a low carbon future then you should vote for them, IMO. You're hardly encouraging the growth of those ideas by continuing to vote Labour. Had Labour come back in mast summer they would have instituted cuts just as savage as those of the Coalition, so the idea that somehow they are the "best of a bad bunch", from my perspective, is a bit of a myth. Unbelievably, there are still folk in the Communist Party- still punting the "British Road to Socialism" despite the fact that it's at least 20 years out of date- who hold similar illusions in the Labour Party. I intend to vote Green in the list at Holyrood, they don't stand in my (or any) constituency do they. As for Labour, they did manage to make a go of the NHS, they did bring in the minimum wage and they do support the living wage (as do the greens) - I guess that's part of the reason why I still do vote Labour at times (and not all the time mark you) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Ah right, fair enough. I do think the Greens are going to have to start working towards standing in constituencies if they ever want to grow beyond the odd MSP. I'll probably vote for them on the list as well, but no idea who to vote for in the constituency vote. Or maybe I'll just be aloof and declare that "I'm not voting in bourgeois elections". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Isn't the Green Party where all the w****r socialists and other ne'er do wells fucked off to when they got punted out Labour and when Communism started collapsing all over the shop? The Greens are another shower that want full control over us to tell us what to do. They don't like cars. Unless they have to drive somewhere. They don't like planes. Unless they have to fly somewhere. they do like to tax us to f**k and indulge in all sorts of socialised fail. Thankfully they will go nowhere politically. I hate them almost as much as I hate socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 No- the Greens predate the collapse of the Soviet world by a good 20-25 years. The Greens are a federation of dissolute opinions just like the Nats, united together by the common goal of the environment. Robin Harper would probably be a Tory wet were it not for environmental issues, for example. Sure there are plenty of socialists and those inclined towards anarchsim in the Greens- there are plenty of Lib Dems in all but name and economic right wingers, too. It would be a much bigger surprise if you didn't hate them, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessies long lost ghost Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 No, you've written often in the past about your disappointment in Labour, it's just the continued vote for them that I can't fathom. If you find yourself in agreement with the Greens, why not encourage their growth by voting for them? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're a Fifer, so it's not like they'll miss your vote in your neck of the woods anyway. If you think the Greens genuinely offer a progressive voice and working towards a low carbon future then you should vote for them, IMO. You're hardly encouraging the growth of those ideas by continuing to vote Labour. Had Labour come back in mast summer they would have instituted cuts just as savage as those of the Coalition, so the idea that somehow they are the "best of a bad bunch", from my perspective, is a bit of a myth. Unbelievably, there are still folk in the Communist Party- still punting the "British Road to Socialism" despite the fact that it's at least 20 years out of date- who hold similar illusions in the Labour Party. Definitely, despite Milibands cringeworthy rhetoric, amazing how they oppose every cut and tax rise now though, fuckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 No- the Greens predate the collapse of the Soviet world by a good 20-25 years. The Greens are a federation of dissolute opinions just like the Nats, united together by the common goal of the environment. Robin Harper would probably be a Tory wet were it not for environmental issues, for example. Sure there are plenty of socialists and those inclined towards anarchsim in the Greens- there are plenty of Lib Dems in all but name and economic right wingers, too. It would be a much bigger surprise if you didn't hate them, really. Yes. I'm talking about all the CND wanks and other twats that had nowhere to go. They seem to have latched on to them these days. The greens are just another w****r lefty outfit. But this time they are riding bicycles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessies long lost ghost Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Yes. I'm talking about all the CND wanks and other twats that had nowhere to go. They seem to have latched on to them these days. The greens are just another w****r lefty outfit. But this time they are riding bicycles! Don't though much about the Scottish Green party but that bint Caroline Lucas is definitely a socialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Definitely, despite Milibands cringeworthy rhetoric, amazing how they oppose every cut and tax rise now though, fuckers. That's the luxury of opposition. Nobody truly gives a shit what you are saying, it's just a drip drip drip of general opposition that folk pay any attention to. As long as you sound faintly convincing you can just about get away with anything in opposition. It is truly irritating that Labour are standing there trying to tell us what is right and wrong economically after their spectacular f**k up. But hey, they really "care" about "the poor". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Yes. I'm talking about all the CND wanks and other twats that had nowhere to go. They seem to have latched on to them these days. The greens are just another w****r lefty outfit. But this time they are riding bicycles! yet Greens in government- particularly at local council level in England (Leeds) have governed alongside Tories and Liberals, and on the continent have no problem acting as the junior coalition partners in right wing governments. Caroline Lucas as the public face is certainly very left wing. I think you're being harsh on the broader party though, which is often quite difficult to characterise politically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 yet Greens in government- particularly at local council level in England (Leeds) have governed alongside Tories and Liberals, and on the continent have no problem acting as the junior coalition partners in right wing governments. Caroline Lucas as the public face is certainly very left wing. I think you're being harsh on the broader party though, which is often quite difficult to characterise politically. I've just characterised them for you. Free of charge! And the Conservative and Unionist Party have operated alongside the Scottish National Party locally in Scotland. Sometimes even politicians have to be all grown up and get a job done now and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I've just caricatured them for you. Free of charge! And the Conservative and Unionist Party have operated alongside the Scottish National Party locally in Scotland. Sometimes even politicians have to be all grown up and get a job done now and again. fixed it for you I'll leave you to call me a tit or some such. I'm off for my tea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessies long lost ghost Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 That's the luxury of opposition. Nobody truly gives a shit what you are saying, it's just a drip drip drip of general opposition that folk pay any attention to. As long as you sound faintly convincing you can just about get away with anything in opposition. It is truly irritating that Labour are standing there trying to tell us what is right and wrong economically after their spectacular f**k up. But hey, they really "care" about "the poor". Exactly. The only like poor people at election time, they have no desire to make the poor get richer because they would lose their votes if they did, yet people get taken in by the "working mans party" tag. Just a pathetic shower of c***s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 fixed it for you I'll leave you to call me a tit or some such. I'm off for my tea. Are you cycling like the greens or being chauffeur driven like a true socialist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 No, I marched triumphantly into the kitchen on receiving the news that the Macaroni Production Collective had overfulfilled their quota in the ninth quarter of the sixth Five Year Plan by 477%. I almost crashed my Trabant on hearing the news. My stomach now feels a little ill having eaten every last extra percentile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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