Gordon EF Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 The only good thing about this thread is that it will show that the views of P&B are not representative of the nation. SNP with 57% of the P&B vote they can only dream. Come May, we'll be able to see how the P&B vote translates to the real deal. What's your degree in? Stating the fucking obvious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 The only good thing about this thread is that it will show that the views of P&B are not representative of the nation. SNP with 57% of the P&B vote they can only dream. Come May, we'll be able to see how the P&B vote translates to the real deal. ^^^obsessed Labour bag carrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrysnotter Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 ^^^obsessed Labour bag carrier Is there anything wrong with what I said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Is there anything wrong with what I said? Nothing technically wrong. But the clunking banality of your posts on this topic do mark you out as a bit of an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrysnotter Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Nothing technically wrong. But the clunking banality of your posts on this topic do mark you out as a bit of an idiot. You caught me. I'm an idiot. Oh no wait, I'm not the one who thinks the SNP are doing a good job. And, the general public will agree with me when the SNP thrown out in May. Labour will lead a minority government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 You caught me. I'm an idiot. Oh no wait, I'm not the one who thinks the SNP are doing a good job. And, the general public will agree with me when the SNP thrown out in May. Labour will lead a minority government. How about some analysis (and bear in mind that you've previously claimed to have nothing against the SNP) then? Why is it that Alex Salmond has such high personal ratings? Why is it that the additional Labour vote is coming from the Conservatives and Lib Dems, and not from the SNP? And then, if you're actually capable of any sort of analysis, why not give some thoughts on why the SNP is so far ahead on this website, and very few people think they have done a bad job. Could you then explain what it is that Labour will do better? You could talk about all of this, but then no doubt, you'll continue to simplistically state the obvious like its something profound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 You caught me. I'm an idiot. Oh no wait, I'm not the one who thinks the SNP are doing a good job. And, the general public will agree with me when the SNP thrown out in May. Labour will lead a minority government. What are you talking about? I think Labour will win the May election by a small margin and form a minority government. I think it'll have less to do with a detailed analysis of the respective records or policies of the main parties and more to do with large swathes of the Scottish electorate referring to their 'default' position and voting Labour, regardless. Especially with the Tories in power at Westminster. The idea that any part will win a majority of the vote in May is absurd. And any person who actively wants Ian Gray to be the First Minister of Scotland is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 You caught me. I'm an idiot. Oh no wait, I'm not the one who thinks the SNP are doing a good job. And, the general public will agree with me when the SNP thrown out in May. Labour will lead a minority government. They're doing a damned sight better job than Labour were doing under Jack McConnell and they'd do a damned sight better than Labour would do under Iain Gray. It's not our fault that the vast minority of Scots, if not the majority (yourself included) are politically morons. And no, I certainly won't be voting SNP at the next election. To deny that they've done a good job (with several notable failings; what administration hasn't?) betrays your political ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 We've had Scottish Prime Ministers since 1997. Tony Blair is, of course, Scottish, as is Gordon Brown. David Cameron is the son of a Scot. The Union is really an affirmative action plan for Scottish politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Why is it that Alex Salmond has such high personal ratings? Geniune question, do you have a link to these polls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 I'm looking forward to see how Scotland's self-perceived 'natural party of rule' handles a delicate minority administration. Has betting already closed on 'smirking arrogance, bluster and failure'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 I'm looking forward to see how Scotland's self-perceived 'natural party of rule' handles a delicate minority administration. Has betting already closed on 'smirking arrogance, bluster and failure'? relations with the Scottish office should be interesting. Labour will likely be far more intransigent than the SNP..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 I'm looking forward to see how Scotland's self-perceived 'natural party of rule' handles a delicate minority administration. Has betting already closed on 'smirking arrogance, bluster and failure'? They'll make an absolute c**t of it, I'm sure. I might actually vote SNP on the regional list. Given a choice between Labour and the SNP (and it seems that is the only choice) then I think the SNP are more capable (or less uncapable to be all John Major-y about it). I'll probably vote Liberal in my constituency, which is a solid Labour seat with the Tories and SNP nowhere. Either that or I'll turn up for polling drunk and vote for the Socialist Labour Party, like Swampy is going to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrysnotter Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 How about some analysis (and bear in mind that you've previously claimed to have nothing against the SNP) then? Why is it that Alex Salmond has such high personal ratings? Why is it that the additional Labour vote is coming from the Conservatives and Lib Dems, and not from the SNP? And then, if you're actually capable of any sort of analysis, why not give some thoughts on why the SNP is so far ahead on this website, and very few people think they have done a bad job. Could you then explain what it is that Labour will do better? You could talk about all of this, but then no doubt, you'll continue to simplistically state the obvious like its something profound. The reason behind the 57% P&B vote is quite simple. The average football fan is pretty thick. End of. From today's Evening Times, yet more stalling from the SNP over the Clyde fastlink. Despite having prepared the draft budget in November, they still can't say how much money, if any has been set aside for fastlink. I'm pretty sure the answer will be nil. With an SNP council having to cut every primary child's education by 10% to pay for free meals for middle class children and class sizes of 18 in P1-P3, purely to meet the SNP's promise is scandalous. Puting party politics before the education of our children, to a detrimental effect of these children is outrageous. Why not just admit they can't afford to fund their policy? This example alone if proof of the current Government's incompetency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 Geniune question, do you have a link to these polls? I did a quick google, here is one: http://news.scotsman...Gray.6596183.jp FORTY-ONE per cent of Scots believe Alex Salmond would make a better First Minister than his main rival Iain Gray, the Scottish Labour leader. The SNP leader remains ahead of Gray in the popularity stakes, according to Scotland on Sunday's exclusive YouGov poll. When the sample of 1,405 Scottish adults was asked who of the two men would make the "better" First Minister, 41 per cent replied Salmond, 24 per cent said Gray and 35 per cent said they did not know. The poll showed that even among Labour supporters, 21 per cent believed Salmond would make a better First Minister, with 50 per cent preferring Gray. When the responses of SNP supporters were examined, it was found that 89 per cent preferred Salmond and 2 per cent said Gray.Despite Salmond receiving more support, the situation is not irretrievable for Gray as he heads to Oban this week for Labour's Scottish conference. The poll also shows that Labour's lead over the SNP remains solid. Voting intention figures put Labour at 40 per cent on the Holyrood constituency vote and 36 per cent on the regional list. The SNP lags behind on 34 per cent in the constituency vote and 31 per cent on the list. So when you consider that Labour have such an enormous lead over the SNP, these are pretty good ratings for a leader who has been in charge for over three years now. No doubt there are plenty of others around. Edited to add, found another, and yes, I know its newsnet, but they quote an Ispos Mori poll: http://newsnetscotland.com/politics/1074-snp-winning-policy-battle-but-labour-have-poll-lead The poll, carried out by Ipsos Mori last week, indicated that the SNP’s proposals over freezing the council tax, supporting the NHS, abolishing prescription charges and freezing pay for those earning over £21,000 had the support of the Scottish public. Although the poll showed the SNP maintaining the polling position it had before the 2007 election, it also indicated Labour are in front as far as Holyrood voting intentions are concerned. In 2007 the SNP eventually overturned an early Labour lead so with six months to go before the Holyrood election it is all to play for. The Ipsos Mori poll conducted immediately after the budget also saw SNP leader and First Minister Alex Salmond gain positive approval ratings of +17 with 54% saying they were satisfied with his leadership. The positive approval rating for Mr Salmond, the only leader to reach over 50%, is over three times that for Iain Gray and more than double all the opposition leaders combined. Lib Dem leader Tavish Scott received a negative rating of -4 as his party continues to suffer from its UK coalition with the Tories. The poll shows Lib Dem support sitting at 11% in the constituency vote. The same constituency vote shows the SNP on 31%, Labour on 41% and Tories on 13%. In the regional vote Lib Dems have even fallen behind “others” with the SNP on 32%, Labour 36%, Tories 12%, others 10% and the Lib Dems on 9%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 The reason behind the 57% P&B vote is quite simple. The average football fan is pretty thick. End of. Thats quite some analysis. Did you think that up all by yourself Mr. Gray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 The reason behind the 57% P&B vote is quite simple. The average football fan is pretty thick. End of. The average person is pretty thick. And 100% of people who say "End of." are thick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Perhaps someone could explain the overwhelming link between rejected ballots (by the thick) in 2007, and the tendency of that constituency to vote Labour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 The reason behind the 57% P&B vote is quite simple. The average football fan is pretty thick. End of. From today's Evening Times, yet more stalling from the SNP over the Clyde fastlink. Despite having prepared the draft budget in November, they still can't say how much money, if any has been set aside for fastlink. I'm pretty sure the answer will be nil. With an SNP council having to cut every primary child's education by 10% to pay for free meals for middle class children and class sizes of 18 in P1-P3, purely to meet the SNP's promise is scandalous. Puting party politics before the education of our children, to a detrimental effect of these children is outrageous. Why not just admit they can't afford to fund their policy? This example alone if proof of the current Government's incompetency. Actually, the correct argument is not that they are thick, but that they represent a very uniform sample, in terms of age, affluence and education. There are obvious outliers but the bulk of those who post here come from a younger generation in which whatever residual tangible benefits of the union are less visible and who have grown up with the devolved scottish parliament as an institution which also lessens the links to westminster. Thus they are more likely to look kindly on the SNP, without the knee jerk reaction that elads to supporting Labour come hell or high water. As for funding programmes, gray has outlined plans to introduce a policy where everyone who wants an apprenticeship can get one, has commited the aprty to the living wage, which in the public secotr will jack up spending and to introducing the National Care Service. All of these are meritorious positions to take, but how in the hell are they going to fund them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 All of these are meritorious positions to take, but how in the hell are they going to fund them all. The Unionist parties have also recommended that they oppose the supermarket tax, although some of the Labour rank and file seem uncomfortable with this, so that option is oot the windie. However they do seem to support the continuation of the council tax freeze. Oh, and lets not forget that Labour also (last I heard) remain committed to GARL, although Iain Gray seems to have been a bit quieter on this lately. Its a question worth asking indeed, how the hell are they paying for all this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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