Arch Stanton Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 11 hours ago, BobWilliamson said: Helping hand? Like when the SFA went against a UEFA directive and closed a transfer window early so we missed out on signing players. Like when the club were voted out the top flight? The other clubs benefited financially to the TV deal that was only in place if Rangers were involved. Rangers received next to nothing. Like withholding Rangers license to play so the club could play no pre season friendliest. I am glad my club were punished the way they were as we , the support, can look back and say we did it on our own. We asked for nothing and we got nothing. It is utterly laughable supporters of the other clubs think they influenced this in any way. The SPL clubs wanted Rangers in the second tier for their own self interest. Did the SPL fans want that? The SFL fans wanted a 16 team top division. Did they get that? The TV companies are the people who were pulling the strings. They made it absolutely crystal clear that Rangers , in whatever form, had to be included in the deal. At the end of the day the correct decision was reached. Other clubs that walked away from their debt were not punished in the same way which is shameful but I can live with that. I would hope in the future any club who runs up exorbitant debt then simply walks away from it receives the same punishment as Rangers but I doubt it very much WTF are you on about you deluded idiot? Third Lanark, Airdrie and Gretna ceased to exist after they "walked away from their debt" and weren't given a GOOJFC back into the league structure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: You're posting here with your moon-howling pack, buddy. You've just made my night now. How does it feel being mauled by a pack of moon howlers? Edited July 6, 2017 by hellbhoy Edit to catch Kinky out ha ha. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, hellbhoy said: How does it feel being mauled by a pack of moon howlers? Sorry to get all Denis Healey on you but it's like being savaged by a dead sheep: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said: Sorry to get all Denis Healey on you but it's like being savaged by a dead sheep: Glorious stuff Kinky, you're on a roll now "savaged by a dead sheep" ffs?. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 The dead sheep will be more savage than the dead club though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Just now, mjw said: The dead sheep will be more savage than the dead club though. Aye, zombie sheep have teeth, zombie clubs just get sheep-shagged of off anyone willing to fleece it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugna Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 17 minutes ago, hellbhoy said: Glorious stuff Kinky, you're on a roll now "savaged by a dead sheep" ffs?. It's OK, T_K - some of us got the allusion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Just now, sugna said: It's OK, T_K - some of us got the allusion. As did I, but it did make me giggle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 9 minutes ago, hellbhoy said: Aye, zombie sheep have teeth, zombie clubs just get sheep-shagged of off anyone willing to fleece it. I'm sure that sounded really witty in your head before you posted it. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 26 minutes ago, bennett said: I'm sure that sounded really witty in your head before you posted it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kildog Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Ooft, it's not even the weekend yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insaintee Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 15 hours ago, coprolite said: I thought that LNS had found that the players were incorrectly registered in the first place, no? they got off because of "no sporting advantage". I can't see why the decision would change because of the tax treatment which is only a bit relevant. The decision was obviously a farce but no one should get their hopes up. No sporting advantage was because other clubs could do the same. As it shows that is not the case other clubs would have been in breach of law. The ruling now states that Rangers simply did not pay tax when it was due. That undoubtedly gave them an advantage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSpikey Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 13 hours ago, williemillersmoustache said: "preferentially placed" Also, "imperfectly registered". Apparently, SFA stands for Strategically Fielded Adverbs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 And again you deluded munter. The loans aren't loans any more are they? Which now means they were payments and the double jeopardy rule must be re-looked at in light of the Supreme Courts judgement overturning the SPL's commission outcome that seen the EBT scheme was being used for tax free loans. the loans are loans.facts are as found by the FTT. no sham. all transactions real and effective.this stuff's all before p4 on the judgement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Is the The Kincardine who is repeatedly insisting that LNS found Rangers guilty the same The Kincardine who responded to the LNS verdict by repeatedly insisting LNS had only found Rangers guilty of "administrative errors"? I'll say this for the "moon howlers": you get the same exaggeration and over-excitement you do on most online forums, but their position has been fairly consistent since the Rangers cheating story broke. The Newco fans though, they've been all over the place for years, desperate flailing. The only consistent position they've held is their utter refusal to look reality in the eye. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 7 hours ago, Bairnardo said: What is dead may never die The full quote is Quote That is not dead which can eternal lie (through its teeth). And with strange SFA decisions even death may die. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 18 hours ago, BobWilliamson said: The burden of proof lies with the prosecution I'm afraid Gosh, I'd anticipated at least an attempt. You're effectively admitting then that there are no actual arguments in favour of Rangers retaining the titles - it's just that you'd like them to. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 16 hours ago, BobWilliamson said: Ludicrous? You are agreeing with me ya crackpot. The SPL fans did not influence their own clubs in any way. The SPL clubs voted for Rangers to be put into the second tier and then tried to strongarm the SFL into meekly accepting this. So pushing through a CVA at 0p in the pound is acceptable? You don't think punishments should be far more severe? How many times are Dundee , for example, going to be allowed to merely write off the debt and carry on with fairly mild punishments. There has to be a real deterrent. You're losing it a little here, Friend. SPL clubs voted not to have the Newco admitted to the top tier. That was absolutely and unequivocally in response to lobbying by fans of these clubs who threatened to withhold money. You are not at any stage going to get me defending how people like Gilmour at St Mirren behaved over the following days. They cynically tried to bully SFL clubs into ensuring the exile lasted just one year, but joyfully failed. I fully accept that the SPL vote quite possibly went in the way it did, in anticipation of the SFL one turning out differently. I know what the SPL was all about and I need no reminding of the self interest and greed behind its inception and subsequent operation. As for 0p in the pound CVAs being acceptable, of course they're not. I've said before that in a moral sense regarding meeting obligations, there's not a vast difference between the behaviour of Dundee, Livingston etc and Rangers. The things that have happened to Rangers however, have come about due to liquidation - an altogether different process. To deny that that makes a difference here, is simply stupid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 11 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: The SPL investigated us thoroughly, found us guilty and punished us. Do you thik the SPFL will find us guiltier? You keep saying this as if it must be the end of the matter. Perhaps it actually must, but how unsatisfactory is that? Yes, they were found guilty, but the sentence given did not remotely reflect the scale and nature of the offence. That should, morally at least, be revisited. I honestly don't know if it can be or not, but the question certainly deserves to be raised. I'm not even fishing here, but I'm genuinely baffled that you'd apparently want to keep such titles. I know what the stereotypical Rangers fan is like and why he'd want to cling on regardless. I know also that you and plenty others don't conform to said stereotype though, so I don't get why some innate sense of fair play and some innate sense of pride doesn't kick in here. Tell me honestly: Why do you want Rangers to retain the titles in question, especially given that the club has won dozens of others entirely legitimately? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 11 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: Anyway, the BTC outcome changes nothing. That we may lose the case was factored in to the LNS enquiry so there is no new news. It was only 'factored in' in the sense that it was explicitly dismissed. How can that be just? As I've said, I think you're essentially right in saying the BTC changes nothing with regard to this as this is really about player registration. For you to use that line now though, strips you of any credibility you may once have possessed. When the initial ruling went in Rangers' favour, you claimed that the LNS commission should be stood down in the wake of it. I've argued that this ruling was not materially that significant throughout. You've only felt that way when it was leaning in particular directions. Can you not see how foolish this looks? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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