THE KING Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 The Fife derby attracted about 11k when we had something to play for. A minor example, but football in Fife would hardly cease to exist if Rangers ceased to exist. It's one less team to compete with. For the last 15 years everyone at rangers has been reeling us that the OF need to join a European league or move to England ,they're all on record as promoting this Smith McCoist and the Media ,and they've all told us how Scottish football would survive and indeed even prosper without the OF ,,,now if Rangers are even as much given a points deduction or relegated,,,it's Armageddon for Scottish football. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hibee Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Rangers go down the pan the other sides will just budget for a visit or two from them less for a season. Police costs will be less also. Sky might not be as much but they take most the pie anyway. People use how much Dunfermline were owed and couldn't pay the wages because rangers didn't give them the money due - aye because they budgeted for it with Rangers in the league. If they weren't in it they would have a lower wage bill. It's not only idiotic but completely ignorant to say we depend on the old firm. This is the same old firm who want to leave and when they do the media support them too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Rangers go down the pan the other sides will just budget for a visit or two from them less for a season. Police costs will be less also. Sky might not be as much but they take most the pie anyway. People use how much Dunfermline were owed and couldn't pay the wages because rangers didn't give them the money due - aye because they budgeted for it with Rangers in the league. If they weren't in it they would have a lower wage bill. It's not only idiotic but completely ignorant to say we depend on the old firm. This is the same old firm who want to leave and when they do the media support them too. The only people concerned about rangers surviving are rangers fans and the media,,,,what are the phone ins going to talk about if there is no rangers,,hence no OF hence no bigotry and paranoia no ,they do this and get away with it crap etc,,, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Really though, the SFA don't actually need to do anything. Nor the SPL. It's not as if a freak of nature such as an earthquake destroyed a member clubs ground or their entire playing staff was wiped out in a tragic air accident. There are no sympathetic circumstances what so ever. A member club is about to put itself out of existence through cold, calculated cheating towards the other member clubs plus about everyone else it did business with. They have committed suicide. they have brought it all on themselves. There is no need for the SFA/SPL to act. They are choosing to. If an existing club applies for transfer-of-share/membership, they have to consider the request... If a new club applies for membership, they have to consider it too - and approve it should it meet all the requisite criteria. Obviously no-one expects SFA to go and ask Rangers if they'd like to transfer their membership... but Rangers might ask. That's when "doing" would begin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drooper Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I genuinely can't bring myself to refer directly to The Blue Knights (okay, I just did it there but had little option in making my point). Who dreamt up the notion that giving a group of generally anonymous, bland middle aged men a collective title such as this would be anything but utterly cringe-inducing? For long enough, I assumed it was a deliberately ironic wind-up. Seriously! I might as well refer to myself as The Golden Hammer of Righteousness when answering the 'phone in the office, or perhaps my wife could introduce me as the Pulsing Rocket of Virility when we bump into her colleagues in the supermarket on a Sunday afternoon. It would be no less preposterous. Is it just me, or does anyone else find it wholly impossible to take anything about this group seriously based on how they refer to themselves alone? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutty Old Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Because the big tax case amounts to tax of roughly £25 million. But the final bill could be anything up to £75 million. In other words Tax Bill £25m + Interest £25m + Penalties £25m. If that is not sufficient punishment I don't know what is. Why should the SFA/SPL be allowed to punish Rangers again with their sanctions when HMRC are doing the job for them. That said Rangers are not it seems going to pay this money by either agreeing a CVA or liquidation, which is why the SFA/SPL are currently reviewing their rules on companies in administration and liquidation/newco scenarios. Are you suggesting that because the punishment from HMRC may be harsh, Rangers should be exempt from punishment for any other offences against other bodies ? Even if that was the case, how can Rangers be in a position where they can gain in certain ways from their current circumstances. Having acquired the services of players without making payment, they could in time sell on these players with a 100% profit ? That is one of several reasons that they should be disadvantaged in a playing sense by limiting their ability to replenish their squad. Another reason that their should be more sanctions against Rangers is that justice needs to be seen to be done. There is no doubt in my mind that if Rangers get off lightly, scottish football will suffer irrepairable damage to its integrity. It's not about vindictiveness, draconian punishment ar hatred of what Rangers stand for. These elements may exist in many non-Old Firm supporters but the emotional rhetoric is secondary to the practical steps that must be taken to protect our game. Otherwise we become a bigger laughing stock than we already are. The Doncaster's of this world are likely to make a priority of protecting the income of the top twelve and he is tasked with this on behalf of these teams. Until such time as serious consideration is given to equitable football competion, scottish football will deteriorate further as an entertainment, crowds will dwindle further and even the diehards will start to drift away. In this scenario the top twelve will share a grand total of very little. They may believe that they are big fish in a small pond but to paraphrase Lord Sugar's side-kick " You're not big fish, you're not even fish" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chico Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 For the last 15 years everyone at rangers has been reeling us that the OF need to join a European league or move to England ,they're all on record as promoting this Smith McCoist and the Media ,and they've all told us how Scottish football would survive and indeed even prosper without the OF ,,,now if Rangers are even as much given a points deduction or relegated,,,it's Armageddon for Scottish football. Bullshit from them back then, Bullshit from them now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutty Old Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I genuinely can't bring myself to refer directly to The Blue Knights (okay, I just did it there but had little option in making my point). Who dreamt up the notion that giving a group of generally anonymous, bland middle aged men a collective title such as this would be anything but utterly cringe-inducing? For long enough, I assumed it was a deliberately ironic wind-up. Seriously! I might as well refer to myself as The Golden Hammer of Righteousness when answering the 'phone in the office, or perhaps my wife could introduce me as the Pulsing Rocket of Virility when we bump into her colleagues in the supermarket on a Sunday afternoon. It would be no less preposterous. Is it just me, or does anyone else find it wholly impossible to take anything about this group seriously based on how they refer to themselves alone? I think it's only fair that having dreamt up the idea of referring to yourself as The Golden Hammer of Righteousness when answering the phone in your office, you should do just that. You deserve that distinction, maybe just the once but treat yourself. By the way, I agree totally with your point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drooper Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I think it's only fair that having dreamt up the idea of referring to yourself as The Golden Hammer of Righteousness when answering the phone in your office, you should do just that. You deserve that distinction, maybe just the once but treat yourself. By the way, I agree totally with your point. BOW DOWN WHEN YOU ADDRESS THE GOLDEN HAMMER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
)typically Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Whilst having neither in Scotland, never mind in the SPL, would be the stuff of dreams, only having one is certainly better than having to put up with both. Less likelihood of them finding half a dozen excuses a year to spout bile at one another and make the country that bit more unsavoury for the rest of us. I disagree for me you either get rid of 'us' both or keep 'us' both. Having only one might seem like a step in the right direction for non old firm fans but I dont think it is. It is a step further down the diddy league ladder. Did you have they fears during the 90s when Rangers were winning but regularly getting pumped by the likes of Grasshopper Zurich? That's not really what I'm saying. My post was a reply to someone who said without Rangers the media's attention would be focused more on the rest of the SPL rather than biased towards the OF. I think in the long run you would see more and more reporting of the EPL and Championship and fewer column inches devoted to the SPL if it was a one horse race all the time. Anyhow its not going to happen. So I will leave it there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I genuinely can't bring myself to refer directly to The Blue Knights (okay, I just did it there but had little option in making my point). Who dreamt up the notion that giving a group of generally anonymous, bland middle aged men a collective title such as this would be anything but utterly cringe-inducing? For long enough, I assumed it was a deliberately ironic wind-up. Seriously! I might as well refer to myself as The Golden Hammer of Righteousness when answering the 'phone in the office, or perhaps my wife could introduce me as the Pulsing Rocket of Virility when we bump into her colleagues in the supermarket on a Sunday afternoon. It would be no less preposterous. Is it just me, or does anyone else find it wholly impossible to take anything about this group seriously based on how they refer to themselves alone? In all fairness your wife does refer to you as a rocket. As for the Blue Knights, when they fail it will be a tag that will be hung around their collective neck forever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I genuinely can't bring myself to refer directly to The Blue Knights (okay, I just did it there but had little option in making my point). They sound like a crappy Brit Porn for TV production company, specializing in fat middle aged men with ponytails shagging weary slappers. Not that I would know.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drooper Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I disagree for me you either get rid of 'us' both or keep 'us' both. Why? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drooper Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 In all fairness your wife does refer to you as a rocket. As do all her colleagues. They sound like a crappy Brit Porn for TV production company, specializing in fat middle aged men with ponytails shagging weary slappers. Not that I would know.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 BOW DOWN WHEN YOU ADDRESS THE GOLDEN HAMMER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS!!! I'll bet your amps go up to 11. Hello Cleveland! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 For the last 15 years everyone at rangers and Celtic has been reeling us that the OF need to join a European league or move to England ,they're all on record as promoting this Smith McCoist, Celtic spokespersons and the Media ,and they've all told us how Scottish football would survive and indeed even prosper without the OF ,,,now if Rangers are even as much given a points deduction or relegated,,,it's Armageddon for Scottish football. Lets see the full story, not just edited highlights. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drooper Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I'll bet your amps go up to 11. Hello Cleveland! In ancient times, hundreds of years before the dawn of history, an ancient race of people... The Blue Knights. No one knows who they were or what they were doing... Including themselves it would seem 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) Rangers go down the pan the other sides will just budget for a visit or two from them less for a season. Police costs will be less also. Sky might not be as much but they take most the pie anyway. People use how much Dunfermline were owed and couldn't pay the wages because rangers didn't give them the money due - aye because they budgeted for it with Rangers in the league. If they weren't in it they would have a lower wage bill. It's not only idiotic but completely ignorant to say we depend on the old firm. This is the same old firm who want to leave and when they do the media support them too. I think one of the issues is the difficulty in making that transition in a matter of weeks or months. Some chairmen simply won't want the "smaller income" scenario, granted, but for others it may be the practicalities and risks. You imply it's small change but it's not. If Rangers come to Easter Road twice in a season, it's the best part of quarter of a million £ in ticket income. Hospitality and in-ground sales will also be higher. Policing will be more costly than usual, yes, but clearly not to anything like the income. Prizemoney for 10th is about £960k, the majority of which comes from TV and most of the rest from naming rights. It's the same story in the 2 cups. Clearly that's a huge component of turnovers, and thus of clubs ability to meet existing commitments (e.g. debt repayments, contracts, etc.). And while Hibs are fairly healthy in terms of debt and suchlike, and internal income generation, some other clubs aren't so healthy or so well-placed. Now for absolute clarity - I'm not saying that the reductions in money justify giving Rangers an easy ride. Far from it. I am saying that pretending there's no reduction in money, or that it's not a huge and - for some - threatening challenge, is simply naieve. And yes, if OF were leaving to another league, similar scenario applies... but not unexpectedly at X weeks/months notice. Edited May 1, 2012 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Are they dead yet? No? *sigh* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I disagree for me you either get rid of 'us' both or keep 'us' both. Having only one might seem like a step in the right direction for non old firm fans but I dont think it is. It is a step further down the diddy league ladder. We're a diddy league with you in it. Much better to be a diddy league with only one set of bigoted knuckle draggers involved than two. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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