Kyle Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Well if they don't want a pyramid below them - none of them better refer to the SPL as the 'self preservation league' ever again. I don't think it's a secret really that they don't want a pyramid? Surely though, the teams in the 'divisions' below would need to agree to this too? What of the junior teams that don't want involved in the senior game, or highland league clubs that like their existing set up? Once again, this is just hashed out nonsense, easily dissected to being another desperate attempt to get Sevco towards the top of the ladder. Any chairman/board worth their salt will see right through this. Interestingly, the 'joint statement' is already on our official website and twitter. Go figure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 If Rangers are shoehorned in at the expense of reconstruction, when they finally get back to the SPL do they change it back to the originally shitey setup so they can all keep their slice of the pie? I can't trust these chancers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chico Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 A pyramid? So the SFA are proposing Sevco 5088 in western juniors division 2 then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelegendthatis Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Why don't the SFL get Turnbull Hutton and the Clyde guy to do the negotiating with the SPL ? We'd soon see a proper and fair resolution. If the clubs don't take the initiative, Doncaster and Regan will be there with loads of MBA type talk, hurling numbers and figures (which don't add up), doom and conflagration. Unless the clubs do it their way. Hopefully the clubs will say 'right, give us your proposals on paper'. 'Now you can get out'. 'We are adult enough to make up our own minds, when we have decided we will let you know'. Can't see Longmuir having the guts to do this. So I do think the Fife contingent alongside Clyde need to put them in their place right at the start, before they do any more damage. In fact the best terminology to use for Regan and Doncaster might be 'Youse 2, on yer bikes'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broccoli Dog Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I've been to a couple Rangers games, and to be honest in those games, I found nothing particularly offensive about the singing. In the subway beforehand, that was a different story, but the games themselves were fairly tame. That usually (but not always) seems to be the case when I see Rangers on tv. There is a bigoted element, but many Rangers fans are perfectly decent people. ^^^ quisling apologist imo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) If Rangers are shoehorned in at the expense of reconstruction, when they finally get back to the SPL do they change it back to the originally shitey setup so they can all keep their slice of the pie? I can't trust these chancers. No Because they'll leave Scotland behind in order to join Ajax, Porto, Celtic, The Klangers, R'lyeh United and Tatooine Rovers in the Galactic mega league that we've been keeping them back from. Edited July 11, 2012 by topcat(The most tip top) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 THE BLUEPRINT http://www.scotprem.com/content/default.asp?page=s2&newsid=11476 So clubs aren't voting on actual proposals... they are voting on a committee being established, and it deciding on something by November. It says an enlarged top division; but there's no actual details. We're also basically right back to square one - it's effectively the national league part of the McLeish Review starting all over again. And it doesn't mention the saving Rangers part !! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Roth Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) Massive off-topic apologies but mibbes a bit of light relief in these worrying hours QC today asked John Terry how many times he'd been sent off? "Can you say, please? Four times?" John Terry answered: "Please, please, please, please" I'm not even lying... Edited July 11, 2012 by Bob Roth -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieholt Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Sorry, but if we`re being offered moving to a 16 team top league with the immediate introduction of play offs then they`ve come up with a deal I`d go for. I presume that other inducements involving the more equitable sharing of money would also be involved. To me the SFL will have achieved pretty much everything they`ve wanted. I`d also add that such a deal will almost certainly mean the end of cockwomble. Sevco start in the 1st. I can live with it. I said months ago that league reconstruction was to me at least as important as dealing with TTFKAR We are NOT being offered a 16 team SPL. All that they are promising is a committee to look at everything. What's not to like about that ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Nomad Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 http://www.studiolegaleinternazionale.com/blogHome2.php?blogPage=1&blogDate=2012-07-11+16%3A20%3A23 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I'm from Thailand: my granny did have balls. did she look anything like this ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Ahh, another committee who will meet about a review and then have a meeting about a consultation, zzzzzzz. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Of course the other irony in all this is the parts about working on reforms for 2 years and all that. Of course they have been - reforms which said a smaller, not a larger, top divison was the best model? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelegendthatis Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) The Scottish FA, the Scottish Premier League and the Scottish Football League have, for the past two years, been involved in a series of discussions at Board level with the objective of securing radical and co-ordinated reconstruction of the game in this country. Today, we are asking clubs to consider a package of reforms which have the potential to rejuvenate Scottish football at senior level and safeguard its future at a time when uncertainty and fear prevail. The proposals are based on five principles previously outlined by the Scottish FA as key to streamlining Governance, ensuring greater financial distribution and above all, providing better entertainment, enhanced competition and value for money for supporters. Upon agreement by the respective Boards, the proposals will placed before the SPL and SFL clubs for approval to be activated immediately and phased in over a two-year period. A working party will be formed, including three representatives from both the SPL and SFL, to devise a new structure for the senior professional game in Scotland. This group will have an independent Chairman appointed by the Scottish FA. They will be tasked with delivering by 30th November, 2012, a recommendation for structural change effective 2013/14. This will incorporate primarily: The introduction of an enlarged top tier for Scottish Senior Professional Football. A new detailed model for senior professional football in Scotland including number of divisions; number of clubs per division; number of matches per season per division; number of promotion and relegation places per division and the introduction and operation of play-offs. An all-through distribution model providing certainty for all clubs as to the percentage of distributable income which will be received. As a minimum, clubs in the current third and fourth divisions will receive the settlement agreement proportion guaranteed as per the current arrangement. In addition, the value and number of parachute payments to relegated clubs will be considered. The introduction of a pyramid for Scottish football to provide a route for licensed clubs to enter the new structure effective 2014/2015 In the event that a final decision is not reached by 30th November 2012, the Scottish FA will seek to implement a new structure in time for the 2013/2014 season. The members of the working party including Chairman will be announced in the near future and will ensure consultation with all stakeholders prior to final recommendations being made. Have just highlighted the weasel words. Words which say nothing other than 'intent' or 'best endeavours'. Like little Red Riding Hood being conned by the wicked pair of foxes. I don't suppose you could have mentioned governance? Like getting article and constitution that actually mean something and can be enforced. Otherwise it is all just trying to build on sand. Edited July 11, 2012 by thelegendthatis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veteran Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Sorry, but if we`re being offered moving to a 16 team top league with the immediate introduction of play offs then they`ve come up with a deal I`d go for. I presume that other inducements involving the more equitable sharing of money would also be involved. To me the SFL will have achieved pretty much everything they`ve wanted. I`d also add that such a deal will almost certainly mean the end of cockwomble. Sevco start in the 1st. I can live with it. I said months ago that league reconstruction was to me at least as important as dealing with TTFKAR The SFL can get all of that by simply using the bargaining chip - Sevco in Div 3 or Sevco out of senior football. The former depends on changes to the league set-up. The latter would be a problem for the SPL and the SFA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodmoorhill Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 From the BBC Last year, SPL clubs considered and eventually rejected plans to reduce the amount of clubs in top league to 10, with chairman Ralph Topping and chief executive Neil Doncaster claiming a 16-team division was not financially viable.Regan was also an advocate of a 10-team SPL. So what's changed? Nothing really. It's a big shitty mess and Regan, Doncaster and their bitch Longmuir appear to want it to stay that way. Next move in the comedy saga that is Scottish Football? Well frankly, I can see the SFL clubs telling them to F*ck Right Off with their mafia behaviour, and Spivco then getting shoehorned back into the SPL. Backslapping all round in SFA/SPL HQ's. Of course, none of this would happen if Longmuir had any spine or could grow a set of nads. The first chance the diddy teams have had to wield power in years, and Longmuir rolls over to have his balls tickled. An absolute fucking joke. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 legendthatis, sorry but my retinas just burst tryingto read that................. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I may be wrong but if Newco are not voted back into SFL1, Stewart Regan has said they will not play in SFL3 I also have a bad bad feeling like you as you just stated above ! I am almost certain these fuckers in the SFA are manipulating a situation we are all going to pop major blood vessels by the audacity of fast tracking the newco on the fly.Like you say if not in the 1st division !!! there is no way they will allow the newco to play in the 3rd as they will certainly go bust by the size of the club !!! so where will they parachute the zombie club ?.Only option I see at the moment and a lot on here have said there is no way they will place the newco into the vacant place left by the Real Rangers.They haven't even suggested in the SFA who will replace the vacant spot in the SPL yet ? not even a whisper.The SPL clubs have voted not to let the newco in and the SFL look like they are going to vote NO to them in the 1st ! but the SFA have already said they will veto any decision that is contrary to the newco being fast tracked. This is all turning into a complete fustercluck at the moment,nothing definitive has been tabled yet which actual league these cheating B@STARDS will play.It's to me looking like they "the SFA" will veto the newco into the SPL by default on the account that the SFL leagues are full and there is a vacant place in the SPL which has not been filled.Dundee or Dumfermline may be robbed of an SPL place by some stupidly bent rule in favour of the newco.The SFA has no other mandate other than get the zombie newco as far up the leagues as possible and if they can pull a complete flanker on us just before the new season kicks off they will and it will be too late then to complain.The SFA would even risk losing 50% of SPL clubs supporters in favour of fast tracking the newco because it's more financially viable to lose supporters than sponsorship money and then hope they will return after a while. I do hope I'm wrong but I would definitely not rule out any nightmare scenario at the moment,nothing at this time would surprise me in the slightest if the SFA shafted us in favour of MONEY. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgowCeltic.org Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 There is absolutely no chance of Sevco Scotland Ltd. playing in the SPL next year. None. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somner`s love child Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 We are NOT being offered a 16 team SPL. All that they are promising is a committee to look at everything. What's not to like about that ? I did`nt know the details. I responded given the information that seemed to be coming from today`s meetings. I find it unlikely that the SFL will roll over for mere proposals and discussions about proposals. For what it`s worth though, if they come up with a definite offer along the lines of what was suggested then sorry, Sevco start in SFL1. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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