stonedsailor Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 FCUK, I left the gas burning, I hope there's enough left for when I stick my head in the oven. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Definitely a caption competition: "Look, Neil, I''m trying... I simply can't replicate your haircut" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidthebaw Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Maybe true, maybe not true but a significant number certainly were freemasons. Check the masonic symbols on the dollar note Maybe David Icke had a point, when I think of Regan, cockwomble et al , the lizard theory begins to make sense 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Have the halfwits abandoned their attempt to gerrymander the leagues yet or are they still on the acid? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I really struggle to believe anyone would be stupid enough to believe that. Surely SPL chairmen know other chairmen in the SFL and talk to each other? That's what Regans job was. Some board members for the same club probably have litle contact with each other bar at club meetings, it's highly unlikely that board members sit down and chat about this kind of stuff regularly, especially in the close season. The chances of SFL/SPL members meeting are even less. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jie Bie Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Is an 11 team SPL a possibility? Play each other 4 times to give 40 matches. It would give teams like St. Mirren/ICT an extra game against Celtic/Hearts etc and would mean 1 less team to share the pot with. Is this allowed? Even if they could somehow organise this logistically (HJ has already pointed out the need for 44 matchdays) it would be the end of Sevco. An 11 team SPL means Dundee and Dunfermline stay in the SFL, so no place for Sevco in there. A year out would kill them off for good. Ok so maybe they could somehow join the juniors or some amateur league for a season (if they could find one with a vacancy) before re-joining a 12 team SPL, but if it's looking like SFL3 won't provide them with the revenue required for them to survive for the season then surely that would be a no-goer as well? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Some guy called "Turnbull something" is in your office and won't leave..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasda Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 The efflorescence in that brickwork is ridiculous. Bloody Fairy Liquid. Civil engineering forum for this pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doink Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 SKY reporting of discussions to bring Rangers back into SPL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 SKY reporting of discussions to bring Rangers back into SPL. Not a surprise really, seeing as that was the first item on the agenda. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 It was rangers who objected to the licence, hence SFA had to withhold. They want transfer fees remember..... Thanks. I've lost the place in this saga. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor E Sheep Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 "Was it a pie or a bovril they hit you with?" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 SKY reporting of discussions to bring Rangers back into SPL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz_the_Squirrel Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 ND: "Don't look now, but here comes Gazza with a fishing rod and a farmfoods bag..." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 SKY reporting of discussions to bring Rangers back into SPL. Neil D: "Go on, please". Rest: "FFS, Neil, get real". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 "What do you mean Bomber Brown is coming along to help us with our PR? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doink Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Not a surprise really, seeing as that was the first item on the agenda. Oh ! didn't know. Just when i heard Steptoe and Son had guest appeared -alarm bells rang 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 BBC reporting that there is no chance of a reprieve for 'Rangers'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagmaster Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Apologies if already posted! http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/16/rangers-lowest-league-victory-fans 'Rangers' starting in the lowest league is a victory for fans over an inept elite A grassroots network has exposed the connivances at the top of the game. Now's our chance to rebuild Scottish football It's worth getting a few things straight before kick-off. This isn't about "relegating" Rangers. Rangers don't exist any more. This isn't about Craig Whyte. Craig Whyte's not around any more. It's about a culture of failure, a total lack of transparency and connivance from the very top of the Scottish Premier League and the Scottish Football Association in a rigged cartel that has brought Scottish football to total crisis. The good news is that the inept coterie at the top of the game has been bypassed by ordinary fans and smaller clubs. This is what democracy looks like. Just when you thought the corporate takeover of society was just about complete, an event takes place or a movement pops up to renew your faith and make you realise that big change is not just possible, it's inevitable, because right across society the elite that runs our world is being exposed daily as a corrupt and incompetent failure. Sevco 5088 Ltd being forced to start their existence in Scotland's lowest league is one of these events, and the sweeping grassroots network that made this happen is one of these movements. Only a few months ago this was completely unthinkable, and only a few days ago it seemed like efforts to parachute this new entity into the First Division – the next tier down from the Scottish Premier League – by Neil Doncaster, the now utterly discredited SPL chief executive, would succeed. Sporting integrity, or integrity of any kind, would, it seemed, be crushed under the weight of corporate expectation, a conflation of embedded sports and business journalists and the staggering sense of entitlement of Rangers and their allies in the governing bodies. Instead, incredibly, we've just seen the transformation of Scottish football, realised almost entirely through Twitter and key websites that have proliferated as the story has dominated every media outlet for over a year: the award-winning Rangers Tax Case, fans site Pie and Bovril, rebel journalist Phil Mac Giolla Bhain, Wings Over Scotland, Scotzine and Paul McConville to name a few. These sites give us hope that what may follow is not just a renaissance in Scottish football but in Scottish media. A core part of this saga has been the failure of the sports and business media with allegations of laziness, partiality and just a complete lack of any critical faculties. Whatever you think of the rights and wrongs of Rangers, the fact is that the SPL chairmen would have quite happily connived to drop the newco into the top flight. Without the resistance of a network of ordinary fans unconvinced by the governing bodies' (or the mainstream media's) account of things, the money men's perpetual short-termism would have prevailed. Faced with (unsubstantiated) apocalyptic scenarios, ordinary fans put huge pressure on their own clubs in advance of the vote at Hampden this week, withholding their season tickets. The collapse of Rangers and the shock it's put through the entire Scottish game has wider consequences. The allegations of widespread tax evasion and the brutal gangster behaviour of football executives has exposed an entire class of feral businessmen. But this is about more than exposing bad business. The model of endless growth has been challenged. The consequences of consigning Sevco Scotland to start where any new club would start may well mean drastic cuts in Scottish football. Some clubs may have to close or downsize. This is no bad thing. We know we have too many clubs in this country. Endlessly chasing an utterly unsustainable model is failed economics. This has been a profound failure of governance, not just among the series of dodgy geezers who lined up to fleece Rangers fans for decades, but the entire edifice of Scottish football, especially the leadership of Stewart Regan and Neil Doncaster. The reality is that the SPL, founded in 1998, has failed by any metric you can choose: attendances, club success in Europe, entertainment value, national team success. Incredibly, since the SPL began, five of its member clubs have entered administration. The newly leaked email from the SFA's Stewart Regan marks him out as a clueless fixer, who's failed at every effort to collude with Rangers. BBC Scotland reported yesterday that a vote of no confidence in Regan was proposed and seconded at last Friday's Scottish Football League meeting. By having the courage to break from the old failed model, the SFL clubs have done the whole of Scottish football a huge favour. There won't be any "social unrest", there will be renewed enthusiasm. More people in Scotland per head of population watch their domestic top-level league than any other European nation. Let's rebuild, let's transform Scottish football. Let's learn the wider lessons not just about the failed corporate economies but the lively powerful networks that can offer an alternative. Vindication! Quite a few pages ago I stated that the Guardian was probably the best newspaper on the news stands and this article has to go down as one of the best in the printed media so far, not just for the fact p&b got a name check! : Oh, and no apologies from me for re-posting this. Some people don't read every page! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 But this is about more than exposing bad business. The model of endless growth has been challenged. The consequences of consigning Sevco Scotland to start where any new club would start may well mean drastic cuts in Scottish football. Some clubs may have to close or downsize. This is no bad thing. We know we have too many clubs in this country. Endlessly chasing an utterly unsustainable model is failed economics. Not so. We have too many clubs who know there is a level where they can tread water, fulfil fixtures and be in no danger of relegation. The league needs to be opened up, not cut down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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