flyingrodent Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) Of course it's a tax dodge. Give me the name of any large or largeish company who disny dodge tax wherever possible. Anybody? No? I might give it a bash, if you can name me another company that's responded to an investigation of its tax dodging by ripping off another for twenty five million quid, then deliberately putting itself in administration through non-payment of taxes, followed by liquidation. You know, just the kind of thing that innocent parties always do when they're wrongly accused. Seriously, you can't laugh long or hard enough at this stuff. David Murray was so confident of the legality of this half-arsed scheme that he flogged your club for a quid to the first passing conman rather than face the music. Craig Whyte was so confident of the legality of the scam that he deliberately forced the club into administration to avoid liability. Your directors were so confident of its legality that they've spent the last year shouting "It wisnae me!" and slashing each other to ribbons in the press. And now, we're getting all this crowing and cackling about how credulous everyone else is, for believing that so-called "loans" that feature "voluntary repayment" may have been dodgy and/or criminal? Good God, your own directors believed it with such certainty that they destroyed your club rather than take responsibility for it! What's happened here is that HMRC have failed to prove to two of the judges' satisfaction that the entire scheme was a massive, intentional tax-evading scam, and we're stuck with the farcical idea that Rangers constructed an grand, exotic financial instrument for paying their players, then suddenly - for no clear reason - decided to make taxable payments to only a few of your employees. Well aye, that makes a whole load of sense. Once again, your club has slithered away from taking responsibility for its own reckless, insane financial policies, just as it's slithered away from repaying companies, organisations and individuals throughout the land; just as its fans are still slithering away from the consequences of liquidation. Listening to the men who orchestrated this collossal disaster crowing about their awesome victory and baying for retribution - on HMRC, on the SPL, on the tax case blogger - is just hysterical. This whole thing has been hilarious from start to finish, and here's the best part - it's not finished yet. Edited November 21, 2012 by flyingrodent 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) Even though the BTC went their way, even though they budgeted for Europe every year, even though the SPL slanted prizewinnings in their favour, even though they had 4 OF games a season, even though they kept the receipts from the home gates, even though they had 500M fans world wide, even though Dave King, ENIC & Ticketus money was sunk into them by the tens of millions. They would STILL have been put into administration & not had enough to get a CVA through. Roll on Gio De Stefano resurrecting them & we have an "I'm Spartacus" moment! Edited November 21, 2012 by kiddy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Haven't read this thread in ages as it went to shite from the start of the new season so sorry if this has been covered already, but those of you saying 'This is even funnier because Rangers were liquidated for nothing', that's not true is it? Was there not still about £50M of debt separate to the Big Tax Case due to Whyte's non-payment of PAYE and other debts? Was HMRC's share of the debt not big enough that they would still have had over 75% of the share if the debt for voting on the CVA? Obviously it's a vindication for Rangers fans and it's fair enough that they're gloating to those who were convinced it would go the other way, but as far I can see in practical terms all it means is the debt to HMRC is smaller. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason Boyne Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Didn't take the RTC blog long to shut down and disappear ? Bye bye 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Didn't take the RTC blog long to shut down and disappear ? Bye bye So are you now going to push for the club to pay off the rest of the creditors? since you are debt free. Would be the "dignified" thing to do agree? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kildog Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 They're still cheats and they're still dead. Everyone's a winner! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason Boyne Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 So are you now going to push for the club to pay off the rest of the creditors? since you are debt free. Would be the "dignified" thing to do agree? Dry your eyes kid -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 “@WillhelmA: For years we Gers fans have been told there was no media agenda against our club and fans. Today we have been vindicated.” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Dry your eyes kid Why don't you answer the question? It is embarrasing the amount of money and peope you didnt pay. or don't you agree with that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-18 ICBM Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Haven't read this thread in ages as it went to shite from the start of the new season so sorry if this has been covered already, but those of you saying 'This is even funnier because Rangers were liquidated for nothing', that's not true is it? Was there not still about £50M of debt separate to the Big Tax Case due to Whyte's non-payment of PAYE and other debts? Was HMRC's share of the debt not big enough that they would still have had over 75% of the share if the debt for voting on the CVA? Obviously it's a vindication for Rangers fans and it's fair enough that they're gloating to those who were convinced it would go the other way, but as far I can see in practical terms all it means is the debt to HMRC is smaller. Only the fans of Rangers FC (R.I.P.) are saying that 'Rangers were liquidated for nothing'. No other fans have been saying that Rangers were liquidated by HMRC due to the £21million in VAT and PAYE owed to HMRC due to their failure to pay any VAT or PAYE over 9 months leading up to Valentines day 2012 when the club was placed in Administration. 12 June 2012 Click here. Rangers have been consigned to liquidation after Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs decided to reject an offer from Charles Green's consortium. The decision means Green's Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) will fail to achieve the 75% backing needed from creditors. HMRC, whom Rangers are listed as owing more than £21million, believe their decision allows them to pursue individuals in the courts. The tax authority forced Rangers into administration in February over millions of pounds of unpaid tax under Craig Whyte and could also pursue former owner Sir David Murray over a tax case, which could result in a £75million bill. The liquidated club was riddled with debt before and on the day that David Murray flogged it to Craig Whyte for £1. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason Boyne Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Why don't you answer the question? It is embarrasing the amount of money and peope you didnt pay. or don't you agree with that? It's time for you to move on , let it go . It's not good for your health this obsession 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-18 ICBM Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) Pay back the creditors please Click here. Rangers administrators have revealed the club owes at least £55m and is facing a further tax bill of up to £79m. The full list of creditors and debts owed by the Ibrox club has been set out in the report by Duff and Phelps, with the club's total debts reaching £134m. On Thursday, the report released by the insolvency firm revealed that Rangers have been running at a "substantial cash shortfall" since being plunged into administration on February 14, with the club owing money to 276 creditors. The total revealed by the administrators includes £55m in confirmed debt and factors in a further £75m, their predicted cost of Rangers losing the 'big' tax case, as well as a debt of around £4m for the 'wee' tax case. Edited November 21, 2012 by SS-18 ICBM 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 It's time for you to move on , let it go . It's not good for your health this obsession So you don't care about the people you ripped off? The "debt free" club should be paying back these creditors. do you agree? It's a simple question, why don't you answer it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Click here. Rangers administrators have revealed the club owes at least £55m and is facing a further tax bill of up to £79m. The full list of creditors and debts owed by the Ibrox club has been set out in the report by Duff and Phelps, with the club's total debts reaching £134m. On Thursday, the report released by the insolvency firm revealed that Rangers have been running at a "substantial cash shortfall" since being plunged into administration on February 14, with the club owing money to 276 creditors. The total revealed by the administrators includes £55m in confirmed debt and factors in a further £75m, their predicted cost of Rangers losing the 'big' tax case, as well as a debt of around £4m for the 'wee' tax case. And yet only the Rangers fans who sat back and did nothing to stop from the club from dying would try to claim this as some sort of moral victory 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason Boyne Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 So you don't care about the people you ripped off? The "debt free" club should be paying back these creditors. do you agree? It's a simple question, why don't you answer it? I ripped off ? Your getting a bit delusional kid 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Haven't read this thread in ages as it went to shite from the start of the new season so sorry if this has been covered already, but those of you saying 'This is even funnier because Rangers were liquidated for nothing', that's not true is it? Was there not still about £50M of debt separate to the Big Tax Case due to Whyte's non-payment of PAYE and other debts? Was HMRC's share of the debt not big enough that they would still have had over 75% of the share if the debt for voting on the CVA? Obviously it's a vindication for Rangers fans and it's fair enough that they're gloating to those who were convinced it would go the other way, but as far I can see in practical terms all it means is the debt to HMRC is smaller. My thinking on it is that without the £75m stacked in HMRC's favour for the BTC, the other debts were of a level that had Ticketus agreed to a CVA it would have happened, and the other £14-£20m owed to HMRC would have been irrelevant. From memory, Ticketus agreed to the CVA proposal. That to me means Rangers were liquidated for no real reason. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I ripped off ? Your getting a bit delusional kid Oh you must be hurting still. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-18 ICBM Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Rangers FC (IA) Creditors List on Apr 06 2012 A K Ray, Ross Hall Hospital, Glasgow £150 ADI UK, Preston £7620 AS St Etienne, France £252,212.39 ASL, East Sussex £2514 Acies Group, Edinburgh £2340 Adrian Coll, Balloch £1600 Alan Duncan, Glasgow £1400 Alexander West Property, Glasgow £2807 Alison Walker TV, Bearsden £600 Alliance Video, Surrey £204 Aon Limited, London £14,151 Arena Imaging, Derby £336 Argyll and Bute Council £406.80 Arsenal Football Club £136,560 Astra Hygiene Supplies, Dumbarton £61.27 Audi Stirling £396.05 Azure Support Services, Macclesfield £523,949.71 Azzurri Scotland, Burnley £34.63 BTWShiells, Belfast £2917.39 Barr Environmental Limited, Cummnock £264 Base Soccer Agency, London £52,560 Bauer Radio Ltd (Radio Clyde) £702 Beyard Services, Beith £5559.60 Bhutta's Newsagents, Glasgow £567.45 Big Think Agency, Glasgow £14,265.60 Blooms UK Limited, Glasgow £70 Brabners, Manchester £12,999 Brentwood Estates, Manchester £42,963.06 Brian Proudfoot, Glasgow £2,802 British Gas £1,562.42 BT £1,292.13 Business Cost Consultants, Glasgow £6,240.60 Business Stream, Edinburgh £9,727.22 CNP Professional, Cheshire £719.96 CRE8, Gloucester £68,406.70 Cairn Financial, London £4,127.60 Cairns & Scott Caterhire, Glasgow £762 Cameron Presentations, Glasgow £8,795.99 Campbell Medical Supplies, Paisley £3,386.73 Camtec, Herts £552 Canniesburn Taxis, Bearsden £269.69 Capital Solutions, Edinburgh £11,423.40 Capito Ltd, Livingston £1,049.69 Carberry's Coaches, Portadown Co Armagh £1,200 Carnival Chaos Production, Edinburgh £672 Carol Govan, Glasgow £600 Cask Productions, Glasgow £1,980 Cask Sports, Glasgow £2,919.60 Catercare Scotland, Stewarton £420 Charlton Chauffeur Drive, Glasgow £792 Chelsea FC £238,345.43 Childcare Vouchers, London £1,143.74 Chilli It, Chester £416.52 Chris Clarke, Kilmarnock £150 Christine Siebelt, Milngavie £1,100 Citrus Office Solutions, Lancashire £4,304.24 City Electrical Factors, Glasgow £215.40 Clyde Productions, Glasgow £180 Coca Cola £10,133.91 Colin Suggett, Sunderland £741.80 Collstream Limited, Derby £5,779.37 Collyer Bristow, London £40,691.22 Colours Agency Glasgow £1,980 Computer Links, Livingston £2,146.32 Computershare Investor Service, Bristol, £23,855.03 Craig Services & Access East Sussex £900 Culture & Sport Glasgow £10,338.96 Daily Record & Sunday Mail £312 DealBureau Commercial Finance, Southend £10,000 Decco Limited, Glasgow £174.72 Dell Computer Corporation, Berkshire £272.85 Direct Medical Imaging, Lancashire £230 Disclosure Scotland £372 Dominique S Byrne, Nuffield Hospital, Glasgow £160 Dr David A S Marshall, Bridge of Weir £160 Dundas & Wilson, Edinburgh £24,027.84 E.ON £8,827.14 Eagle Consulting, Inverness £40 Eagle Couriers, Bathgate £96.60 Eden Springs, Blantyre £644.64 Edinburgh Audi £5,197.08 Electrical Was te Recycling, County Durham £18 Enterprise Rent-a-Car, Stirling £9,000 Events Audio Visual, Clydebank £300 Exchequer Corporate Finance , Surrey £4,000 Executive Hire, Harlow £1,060 FES FM, Stirling £80,874.93 FL Memo, London £116.86 FX Signs, Glasgow £15,546.56 G Media Mangement, Cheltenham £995 G4S, Surrey £295,036.24 GTG Training, Glasgow £396 Gareth Neil Design, Glasgow £3,200 Gerry McGeoch, Glasgow £150 Glasgow Audi £1,041.62 Glasgow City Council £5,000 Glasgow City Council (Council Tax) £2,008.21 Glasgow Leading Attractions (The Willow Tea Rooms) £1,525 Glasgow Taxis £TBC Glencairn Crystal Studio, East Kilbide £354 Gordon McKay, Blackridge £150 HOBS Reprographics, Glasgow £270.15 HSS Hire Service £67.10 Hamilton Brothers, Bishopton £115.56 Hay McKerron Associates, Milngavie £3,600 Hepscott Water Systems, Morpeth £1,190.28 Hrvoje Bojanic Beethoveova, Zagreb, Croatia £2,898.42 Hutchesons Eductational Trust, Glasgow £550 ILC Media, Preston £2,040 IMG Media, Chiswick £180 Impact Signs, Cumbernauld £9,482.79 Integrated Cleaning Management, Hampshire £3,329.19 Iris Chorus Application Software, Devon £5,973.60 Iris Ticketing, Devon £37,210.42 Iron Mountain, Livingston £1,271.16 JCM Business Consulting, Paisley £2,745 JJB Sports £19,390.59 James Gordon (Engineers), Galston £1,437.68 Jewson, Glasgow £930.60 Joe Lennon Picture Framing, Bearsden £840 John Deere, Gloucester £41,191.59 K7X, Ayr, £240 Kalamazoo Secure Solutions, Birmingham £4,017 Keith Hawley, Glasgow £2,600 Kevin Cameron Radio Service, Paisley £600 Kube Networks, Glasgow £7,672.08 L & S Litho, Glasgow £17,035.04 Lothian Power Clean, Larkhall £194.34 LSK Supplies, Glasgow £178.58 Lawrie Furnishings, Paisley £607.20 Limelight Networks , Arizona £2,333.49 Link Seating Limited, Worcestershire £606.98 Loomis UK, Nottingham £2,248.08 Louis Grace Electrical, Glasgow £1,087.84 Lyco Direct Limited , Milton Keynes £2,381.27 MSM Solicitors, Paisley £420 MacGregor Industrial Supplies, Inverness £106.76 Mackinnon Partners, Gourock £200 Manchester City FC £328,248.71 Manea Florin Bucharest £37,500 Mar Hall, Bishopton £5,511.90 Marsh Ltd UK, Norwich £779.10 Martin Dawes, Warrington £654.74 Media House, Glasgow £19,200 MediaCom, Edinburgh £11,544.42 Menzies Hotels, Derbyshire £257.40 Michael Douglas, Glasgow £100 Milngavie Mini Market £413.29 Modular Property Holdings, Glasgow £20,930.22 Motif Promotional Clothing, Glasgow £27.29 Murray Group Holdings, Edinburgh £278,964.30 Nairn Brown (Glasgow) £1,492.50 National Car Rental, Leicester £162.52 Navyblue Design Group, Edinburgh £6,960 Newline Products, Glasgow £7,001 Newsquest (Herald & Times £1,500 Nexo S.A., France £1,799.37 Nicola Young, Glasgow £3,500 Noble Grossart, Edinburgh £18,612 Nordic Scouting, Oslo £20,000 North Glasgow College £11,041.80 OHSS, Edinburgh £234 OfficeFurnitureOnline.co.uk, Dumfires £338.40 Ooyala, California £733.92 Opal Telecom £169.72 Orebro SK £150,000 Oxford Hotels & Inns (Carnoustie) £3,709.96 PR Newswire Europe £300 PTS - Plumbing Trade Supplies, Leicester £30.42 Paramed, Howwood £1,050 Parklands Country Club, Glasgow £500 Parks of Hamilton £7,256 Paton Plant, York £1,450.16 Perform Group, Middlesex £346,097.43 Pineapple Aroundshot, Co Durham £2,316.96 Pineapple Photographic, Co Durham £5,875 Ping Network Solutions, Glasgow £4,020.25 Plum Films, Edinburgh £3,000 Posh Deli, Glasgow £260 Postage by Phone, Essex £510.80 Premier Cash Registers, Glasgow £12,600 Prime Commercial Properties Management, London £10,805.53 Professional Pre-Season Tours (Libero), Glasgow £60,000 Quick Shift Tyre Service, Glasgow £48 R.F.Brown, Hamilton £1,681.44 RBS WorldPay, Cambridge £180.66 RS Components Limited, Northants £204.95 Rangers Lotteries Ltd, Glasgow £105.80 Reed Business Information, Surrey £2,764.80 Renfrewshire Council HQ £108 Restore Scotland, Paisley £579.74 Rigby Taylor Limited, Bolton £10,762.16 Rodgers Sercurity Systems, Glasgow £342.50 Ross Hall Hospital, Glasgow £770.50 Ross Promotional, Glasgow £1,022.88 Royal Mail £3,262.54 SDL Group, Glasgow £1,350 SG World, Cheshire £577.56 SIR Teknologi, West Sussex £TBC SK Rapid, Austria £1,011,763.44 STRI, West Yorkshire £17.28 Saffery Champness, Glasgow £31,028.01 Scot-West Business Forms, Glasgow £749.60 Scotprint, Haddington £7,514 Scotrae Productions, Greenock £17,058.94 Scottish Ambulance Service £8,438.40 Scottish Hydro Electric £62,527.30 Scottish Power £302.44 Search Promotional Merchandise, Buckinghamshire £6,240 Shanks Waste Management, Southampton £122.58 Sharon Agnew, Glasgow £460 Shawfield Timber, Glasgow, £786.24 Shell UK £7,637.94 Shields Land Rover, Glasgow £246.75 Shred-it Glasgow £444 Sign Plus, Dunfermline £2,473.22 Signature Industries, London £1,507.90 Simplewaste Solutions, Clydebank £17,626.26 Sinclair Pharmacy, Glasgow £1,909.79 Slater Menswear , Glasgow £688.31 Solutions.tv, Glasgow £2,652 Sound Acoustic Productions, Glasgow £12,000 Souters Irrigation Services, Cumbernauld £456 Spike Multiedia, Giffnock £5,312.50 Sporting iD, Tyne and Wear £144.70 Sportopps.com, Belfast £150 Sports Alliance, Bury £2,006.65 Sports Revolution, London £5,034.52 Stellar Football, London £72,000 Stirling Fire Protection £1,149.30 Stockline Plastics, Glasgow £258 Strathclyde Police £51,882 Striking Imagery, Cumbernauld £113.51 Stuart MacMorran, Clydebank £422.50 Summit Asset Management, Surrey £70,555.88 Susan Thomson Your Sonsie Face, Glasgow £40 TNT £1,255.39 Tabs FM, London, £1,980 Tellcomm Limited, West Midlands £6,435.89 The Arco Group, Hull £443.43 The Brite Bulb, Bishopbriggs £3,209.64 The Burnbrae, Bearsden £1,403.88 The Business & Property Bureau, Bearsden £7,376 The Business Incentives Group, Glasgow £1,893.60 The City of Edinburgh Council £90 The Fees Company, Edinburgh £118.16 The Financial Times £3,480 The Scottish Football League £3,859.92 The Premier Property Group, Edinburgh £103,210.96 Thistle International Freight, Paisley £128.42 Thistle Storage Equipment, Cumbernauld £140.40 Thomas Cook Sport, Manchester £129,216.56 Ticket Team, Netherlands £873.36 Ticketline Network, Manchester £11,668.67 Trade UK (Screwfix) £77.01 Trident Trust Company, Jersey £40,689.90 UK Fast, Manchester £689.78 US Citta di Palermo, Italy £205,513.04 Umbro £1,756.05 University of the West of Scotland £135 Vodafone £204 Voicescape, Manchester £786.84 William Henderson, Glasgow £275 Yuill & Kyle Solicitors, Glasgow £1,486.80 Celtic FC £40,337 Dundee United FC £65,981.49 Dunfermline Athletic FC £83,370.13 Heart of Midlothian FC £800,000 Inverness Caledonian Thistle FC £39,805 SPL £22,500 SFA 11,089.04 HM Revenue & Customs £14,372,042 Ticketus, London £26,700,000 Debenture Holders (various) £7,736,000 Lest we forget. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Devlin Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Ah, morning Bendarroch. Glad to see you approach a perceived victory with the same total lack of grace as you do every other event in this sorry saga. You'll notice that, as well as holding my hands up, I gave credit in the same post (the one you cherry-picked from - old habits, eh?) to those rangers fans who have contributed in a positive manner to the debate on here. You'll also note I specifically excluded you from that list. You may want to ask yourself why. In fact, fuckit, I'll tell you why. You're a nasty little bigoted c**t, with f**k all to offer this thread - no original thought, no sense of decorum or social skills, and the mental capacity of a slug. 1 title? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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