Prime Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 That's complete conjecture and isn't the type of thing an intelligent man like a judge should come out with. It wasn't by chance Lord Carloway who said it? The guy who was part of the panel who placed the transfer embargo on Rangers but which was overturned. Look how much debt the oldco had run up. Who is to say that SDM wouldn't have just added that extra £40M odd onto the pile? It was a tax avoidance scheme. Tax avoidance isn't employed solely because you can't afford the tax, it's employed because you don't want to pay the tax. Plus, as I've said above, until there is no chance of the decision being appealed you're all being a bit premature. From David Murray's (aka "Mr Black") testimony at the original appeal. https://www.pumptax.com/wp-content/uploads/old/documents/murray291012.pdf Page 53, note 207 207. Firstly, the arrangements on engagement may be considered. We accepted the 5 evidence of Mr Black, Mr Magenta, and Mr Grey. Characteristically the prospective players and their agents focussed on a net figure. This could be maximised via the trust mechanism, and moreover could only be afforded by the Club that way. A “deal” would be offered by the Club only on a “take it or leave it” basis, which we accept I believe the term is "clamped"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I'm going to go against the diddy grain here and say I am not fussed about them having titles stripped. Unfortunately it happened and I don't see what good it really does anyone. The subsequent seethe from the **** would simply be an old firm tit for tat about number of titles won which would frankly be very boring. What the whole sorry mess did show up was the absolute sham that was the two horse race during that period, where two clubs outspent each other (we now know one did through unlawful means) to the detriment of the whole sport, not that we didn't know that already. The saddest thing for me is that this was an opportunity to fix it, to really shake up the game seeing as it was of course Armageddon anyway and come away from the Old firm centric sport we watch. They will always be the two biggest in the league but we could have levelled the playing field a bit more. It seems now we're coming to the end of that window of opportunity and it honestly seems that no lessons have been learned at the sfa, spl, celtic or rangers and we are heading straight back to where we were. All to satisfy some tv companies really. The people running scottish football really do need to be ashamed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 CHEATS.FUCKIN' CHEATS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I'm going to go against the diddy grain here and say I am not fussed about them having titles stripped. Unfortunately it happened and I don't see what good it really does anyone. The subsequent seethe from the **** would simply be an old firm tit for tat about number of titles won which would frankly be very boring. What the whole sorry mess did show up was the absolute sham that was the two horse race during that period, where two clubs outspent each other (we now know one did through unlawful means) to the detriment of the whole sport, not that we didn't know that already. The saddest thing for me is that this was an opportunity to fix it, to really shake up the game seeing as it was of course Armageddon anyway and come away from the Old firm centric sport we watch. They will always be the two biggest in the league but we could have levelled the playing field a bit more. It seems now we're coming to the end of that window of opportunity and it honestly seems that no lessons have been learned at the sfa, spl, celtic or rangers and we are heading straight back to where we were. All to satisfy some tv companies really. The people running scottish football really do need to be ashamed. Good post, definitely a massive missed opportunity to reshape the game for the better. Although I would argue that without some kind of recognition that cheating to win is verboten, we'll just be setting a precedent that you can break the rules and don't worry about getting caught, we'll just fudge it. How many lower league teams have been kicked out of a competition for relatively minor infractions over the years? And never mind lowly teams what about poor old Legia Warsaw? The joy of football is all you need is jumpers for goal-posts and a ball. It must be as level a playing field. And in the same way that the fit and proper row isn't as much to do with letting a convicted criminal in to run sevco, it's to stop other teams falling foul of unscrupulous owners / directors too. Any shyster can now point to the glib and shameless one and say, well what about that thundercunt, he's fine? The fact that Ashley is also a p***k doesn't mean we should have to accept a criminal into our game. As you say, a huge missed opportunity, a total lack of leadership at the SFA and everyone hiding under their desks when it comes to taking any responsibility. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyman Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 None at all. Justice for me means either, the authorities confirming that this "new rangers" were formed in 2012 & have no right to claim the history & honors of the old rangers. Or. IF.....They want us to believe it's the same club as always, Making them cough up every penny owed to everyone they stitched up. Either way they're fucked & i along with many others will be happy. What you forget about is the magic broom and carpet that things seem to get swept under where sevco are concerned. Nothing will happen to them. Christ they haven't even been chased for money they said they'd pay to initially be allowed to start again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 You're a fud, mate. It's not a "Please stop laughing at us, type post", it's an "I'm not gonna waste my breath arguing with half-wits like you over this until it's all done and dusted" type post. You're typical of the guys on here who decry Rangers fans for being assholes then when they post something which isn't inflammatory you try to goad them into being the asshole you have it ingrained in your pea-brain that they are. Here's a tip for life: stop and consider that if everybody is a dick to you it's probably because you, yourself, are a dick. Given that the vast majority of those who seem to see Dave as a dick seem to follow one of two clubs (which by pure coincidence call themselves by the same name), maybe there's another explanation... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dublinarab Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I want ogilvie gone and am surprised more fuss hasn't been made about his position. How can the man who processed illegal EBTs, dodgyside contracts and was also a recipient be the president of the SFA? Utterly untenable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythstoliveby Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I'm going to go against the diddy grain here and say I am not fussed about them having titles stripped. Unfortunately it happened and I don't see what good it really does anyone. The subsequent seethe from the **** would simply be an old firm tit for tat about number of titles won which would frankly be very boring. What the whole sorry mess did show up was the absolute sham that was the two horse race during that period, where two clubs outspent each other (we now know one did through unlawful means) to the detriment of the whole sport, not that we didn't know that already. The saddest thing for me is that this was an opportunity to fix it, to really shake up the game seeing as it was of course Armageddon anyway and come away from the Old firm centric sport we watch. They will always be the two biggest in the league but we could have levelled the playing field a bit more. It seems now we're coming to the end of that window of opportunity and it honestly seems that no lessons have been learned at the sfa, spl, celtic or rangers and we are heading straight back to where we were. All to satisfy some tv companies really. The people running scottish football really do need to be ashamed. Sadly it is still a long way to go as long as there are idiots like DM5 and also RedRob72 - a grown man who can't even bring himself to type the word 'celtic' on a forum! Absolutely pathetic. I hope they're not breeding because we need to ween this type of thing out of the population...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Thunder Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Rangers won ALL their trophies fair and square and if there's any justice in the world they will keep hold of each and every one of them despite the outcry from wee diddy clubs and rival clubs to have them taken away. -7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Rangers won ALL their trophies fair and square and if there's any justice in the world they will keep hold of each and every one of them despite the outcry from wee diddy clubs and rival clubs to have them taken away. I disagree with your opinion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shizzlemanizzle Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Rangers won ALL their trophies fair and square and if there's any justice in the world they will keep hold of each and every one of them despite the outcry from wee diddy clubs and rival clubs to have them taken away. Hi Cheaty McCheatcheat. Hi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 On EBT`s and Rangers Part 1 http://waitingfortax.com/2015/11/06/on-ebts-and-rangers-fc-part-1/ Sorry Tedi I tried but I stopped reading at this bit. To acquire a liability to pay income tax two things need to happen: the first is that you need to “get” a sum of money and the second is that that sum of money needs to be “income”. If you do “get” “income” you’ll have to pay income tax on it. And that income tax will reduce the amount of money you have available in your hand to spend. Either he is over-simplifying the issue or is being mis-leading. A quick example would be a company car (or any other BIK) that make you liabel to income tax without you needing to '"get" a sum of money' Of course you could look into the motives of the person writing the article as I believe that he has previously represented others who have been found to have used other, similar, tax evasion schemes that have been found to be illegal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Here's a tip for life: stop and consider that if everybody is a dick to you it's probably because you, yourself, are a dick. Why is everyone being a dick to "Rangers"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killienick Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 (edited) Sorry Tedi I tried but I stopped reading at this bit. Either he is over-simplifying the issue or is being mis-leading. A quick example would be a company car (or any other BIK) that make you liabel to income tax without you needing to '"get" a sum of money' Of course you could look into the motives of the person writing the article as I believe that he has previously represented others who have been found to have used other, similar, tax evasion schemes that have been found to be illegal. He is using obfuscation and paradigms to try to muddy the waters. Effectively he's trying to say that it's the way you choose to take the money which is important, he's trying to establish ownership of the monies to be with the trustees. Luckily, I'm also a 'tax expert' and I work with several other 'tax experts' and he's talking nonsense. Regardless of where the money went afterwards, those players were employed by Rangers and tax was due at source. The law is pretty simple on this. The only real surprise is that HMRC didn't argue this way around the first time. If they had then they would have won the case then. Edit: fat fingers. Edited November 6, 2015 by killienick 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podlie Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Scottish Football Association (SFA) is not subject to the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002 which is a shame as would love to see the email trail between the SFA and Lord Nimmo's Commission. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Rangers won ALL their trophies fair and square and if there's any justice in the world they will keep hold of each and every one of them despite the outcry from wee diddy clubs and rival clubs to have them taken away.They huvnae got any trophies. They died. A new Club has them and are kidding on they belong to them. What a hoot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythstoliveby Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Scottish Football Association (SFA) is not subject to the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002 which is a shame as would love to see the email trail between the SFA and Lord Nimmo's Commission. I'm beginning to think that the football authorties' behaviour during the debacle is even more reprehensible than that of the old and new rangers! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.j Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Rangers won ALL their trophies fair and square and if there's any justice in the world they will keep hold of each and every one of them despite the outcry from wee diddy clubs and rival clubs to have them taken away. You're wrong of course. But I think you know that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Why is everyone being a dick to "Rangers"? 'Dick' was part of the process that led to their doom... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 The Little Genital 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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