Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[ayrmad]

FFS,it doesn't take much to cause a distraction on here.

[Granny Danger]

Obviously a slow day when people are responding to the Celtic apologist fannies. BTW you don't need to put them on ignore to ignore them. Just ignore them.

Unlike some I don't advocate the complete demise of the OF (cue someone coming on and saying there is no OF) but I do daydream about it sometimes. No bigotry, no mutual contempt/love/need for each other, and, as a big bonus, no c***s like Craig Burley of Billy Doods slobbering their pish all over the Sunday papers.

Only interesting thing for me today is confirmation that the SFL have solicitors working over the weekend to interpret their own rule book. How fucked is that? 'Guys here's the rule book we wrote and agreed, now can you tell us what it means?'

On a more serious note you wonder what brief Longmuir has set the legal advisers

Is it 'What's the majority required to parachute a newco into the First Division?'.

Or is it 'We want to parachute a newco into the First Division on a simple majority, now find us justification for doing this'

[cyderspaceman]

Not sure when I joined P&B, but today marks the first time I have set anyone to 'ignore'. Congratulations DhenBhoy - what a toaster.

Time for a cuppa'.

You joined on the 14th May 2007.

Don't mention it!

[ayrmad]

Jim McColl gets everywhere.

Except the Ibrox boardroom.

[pozbaird]

You joined on the 14th May 2007.

Don't mention it!

Been mentioned three times now I think. Obviously I should have said in my original post 'Posting this from my iPod touch, so cannae' be arsed checking exactly when I joined P&B, but anyway, must have been a while ago.. etc.'

Fcuking slow news day indeed. Celtic this, Celtic that, Lawell this, Lawell that...

Irish Open golf and Euro 2012 final on telly... Thank F.

[HibeeJibee]

SPL executives are more worried they'll lose their Jobs as Scottish football comes under the umbrella of one organisation due to cost cutting.

People keep saying this but it makes no sense... Neil Doncaster or David Longmuir would probably go, yes, but who else beyond that? Maybe a couple of back office positions could be saved, through efficiency processes and a reduction of duplication, but I doubt the PA and the typist are driving the compromise attempt!!

[~~~]

Exactly. Wearing a football shirt was enough to earn Trish Godman a nailbomb in the post. Any action Celtic take risks looking like dancing on the Buns' grave, so I wholly endorse their current strategy of keeping quiet.

Can you blame Celtic for keeping quiet?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/02/28/rangers-celtic-in-300k-bust-up-over-ibrox-derby-ticket-agreement-86908-23768225/

THE Old Firm are locked in a cash feud after it emerged Celtic have reneged on a deal to hand over a £300,000 advance on tickets for next month’s derby clash.

And Record Sport understands anxious Ibrox staff fear the move may force more job cuts at their stricken club at a time when administrators are trying to unearth enough money to keep the business running.

Funny despite Rangers owing other clubs a lot of money, no mention of them possibly costing job.

Rangers fans already seem to think there is a conspiracy against them, with Peter Lawwell using Stewart Regan as his "puppet" to kill them

So on 1 hand, evert other club thinks that Celtic are out to conspire with Rangers to keep them in the SPL / Div 1. And on the other hand Rangers fans think Celtic are doing everything we can at the SFA to kill them off.

No matter what Celtic say regarding this matter, all it will do is whip up a frenzy, so whats the point in them coming out and saying anything? We already know now the SPL are not going to vote them into league. its out of our hands now, its down to the SFL to do the right thing.

[AFC1973]

Is that right?

http://www.readytogo...ad.php?t=710982

Currently the second biggest thread on my clubs forum and been going strong for weeks now. I suspect loads of other English clubs are also interested.

i would expect all the teams in England to be interested after all its the EBT scheme that has led rangers cheating for the last 20 odd years. Now they have been caught and are legally hiding behind a newco with out having to pay the TAX & PAYE that every single person in the UK has to pay. and why? cause they are the people? no because they are a sectarnisim club that promotes the idea of catholics to be down trodden in this country.

Whats to stop HMRC looking at Man utd, arsneal, chelsea and any other team south of the border that used the EBT system. Be interesting to know... so might be a few clubs down south really watching this. Just a shame our SFA is infiltrated with people desperate to save rangers. which technically are dead n buried

Ghah making me angry typing this again on this subject. Really need a holiday

[FinnesTON]

Obviously a slow day when people are responding to the Celtic apologist fannies. BTW you don't need to put them on ignore to ignore them. Just ignore them.

Unlike some I don't advocate the complete demise of the OF (cue someone coming on and saying there is no OF) but I do daydream about it sometimes. No bigotry, no mutual contempt/love/need for each other, and, as a big bonus, no c***s like Craig Burley of Billy Doods slobbering their pish all over the Sunday papers.

Only interesting thing for me today is confirmation that the SFL have solicitors working over the weekend to interpret their own rule book. How fucked is that? 'Guys here's the rule book we wrote and agreed, now can you tell us what it means?'

On a more serious note you wonder what brief Longmuir has set the legal advisers

Is it 'What's the majority required to parachute a newco into the First Division?'.

Or is it 'We want to parachute a newco into the First Division on a simple majority, now find us justification for doing this'

Is that find some ambiguity that will allow us to get Zombie Rangers in the 1st without a vote thus rendering the fans opinions useless and that our hands were tied.

[Forest_Fifer]

Obviously a slow day when people are responding to the Celtic apologist fannies. BTW you don't need to put them on ignore to ignore them. Just ignore them.

Unlike some I don't advocate the complete demise of the OF (cue someone coming on and saying there is no OF) but I do daydream about it sometimes. No bigotry, no mutual contempt/love/need for each other, and, as a big bonus, no c***s like Craig Burley of Billy Doods slobbering their pish all over the Sunday papers.

Only interesting thing for me today is confirmation that the SFL have solicitors working over the weekend to interpret their own rule book. How fucked is that? 'Guys here's the rule book we wrote and agreed, now can you tell us what it means?'

On a more serious note you wonder what brief Longmuir has set the legal advisers

Is it 'What's the majority required to parachute a newco into the First Division?'.

Or is it 'We want to parachute a newco into the First Division on a simple majority, now find us justification for doing this'

They want the lawyers to tell them the precise rule that they need to break to invite sevco into sfl1,and the exact number of clubs they need to blackmail into accepting it. At the moment they have no fucking idea - not that they normally have any fucking idea what is going on.

[HibeeJibee]

One of the few things that seemed fairly straightforward was that Sevco would need 75% of the vote to be elected to the SFL.

A club needs 50% of the vote to be elected to the SFL BUT that club needs to present three years audited accounts. That is an SFL rule.

A rule change in the SFL constitution needs 75% of the member clubs voting for the proposal.

To the best of my knowledge Sevco cannot possibly present three years audited accounts. No matter how many lawyers they come up with, this cannot possibly be a matter of interpretation. Wonder how they`ll try to spin this next week?

I have got this right have`nt I?

No, unfortunately:

* there's no 3yr accounts rule in SFL

* they'd need simple majority (50%+1) to be elected to SFL

* there appears to be some loophole that could enable them to be admitted to SFL1 on simple majority, can't quite remember the details

[Thumper]

On a more serious note you wonder what brief Longmuir has set the legal advisers

Is it 'What's the majority required to parachute a newco into the First Division?'.

Or is it 'We want to parachute a newco into the First Division on a simple majority, now find us justification for doing this'

It's more likely "how do we avoid a vote entirely". Even a secret ballot would be suicide for any clubs who hadn't previously announced their intentions.

How times change. Wasn't that long ago that Longmuir and Petrie were firmly in the good guy camp. Good luck shifting your £3.50 hot dogs at Easter Road next season, Rod.

[pozbaird]

I honestly can't see the SFL trying to find a way to weasel a Sevco XI straight into Div 1. As news of that scam broke, the very idea of it became just as toxic as the original thought that a newco club would start life in the top flight.

I know, I know - there's always a nagging feeling that underhand shenanigans will see 'Rangers' escape natural justice, simply because they are the people, and the big.... aye, whatever.

I have zero confindence in our administrators, and think at least three or four high heid' yins' need their jotters - but I think the idea of a Charles Green newco being greased into a higher division than they should be has now been so discredited that it cannot happen without Scottish football going into meltdown.

[AyrshireTon]

Electronic **** ‏@ETimsNet

SoS A Smith names @StewartRegan Rod Petrie of HIbs, Neil Doncaster & David Longmuir as men behind "threats" to SFL clubs & inc of Newco.

Been said before no doubt, but if a club relies solely on TV money to survive then heaven help it.

There are twenty 2nd and 3rd division clubs who have never seen TV money, plus around half of the 1st division clubs are in the same boat. All have managed to get along all these years just fine.The rest have been in the SPL and are have overspent in their attempts to snatch the one chance go back up, and as such there have been clubs in administration.

Budget on gate money and sponsorship that you know will always be there (unless you piss off your own fans).

TV money needs to be treated as a bonus or even a war chest for when times are hard - like now (isn't hindsight a great thing).

[FinnesTON]

i would expect all the teams in England to be interested after all its the EBT scheme that has led rangers cheating for the last 20 odd years. Now they have been caught and are legally hiding behind a newco with out having to pay the TAX & PAYE that every single person in the UK has to pay. and why? cause they are the people? no because they are a sectarnisim club that promotes the idea of catholics to be down trodden in this country.

Whats to stop HMRC looking at Man utd, arsneal, chelsea and any other team south of the border that used the EBT system. Be interesting to know... so might be a few clubs down south really watching this. Just a shame our SFA is infiltrated with people desperate to save rangers. which technically are dead n buried

Ghah making me angry typing this again on this subject. Really need a holiday

This is the test case , hence why HMRC were not for allowing any deviations. EBT's are not illegal but the way Rangers did theirs was. If other clubs have gave cover letters stating that these payments were part of the player contracted wage then that is where they fall foul of the regulations. Thats basically what I got from the porn star guy who initiated the schemes and the Tv docu, obviously someone with a greater grasp will be able to give chapter and verse.

[Sam Leitch Loyal]

Now that Sevco are all but certain to miss out on SPL footie next year do you think the SFA will actively TRY to draw them together in the cups? (Assuming Sevco are in any cups.)

[JRS LEFT PEG]

Can you blame Celtic for keeping quiet?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/02/28/rangers-celtic-in-300k-bust-up-over-ibrox-derby-ticket-agreement-86908-23768225/

Funny despite Rangers owing other clubs a lot of money, no mention of them possibly costing job.

Rangers fans already seem to think there is a conspiracy against them, with Peter Lawwell using Stewart Regan as his "puppet" to kill them

So on 1 hand, evert other club thinks that Celtic are out to conspire with Rangers to keep them in the SPL / Div 1. And on the other hand Rangers fans think Celtic are doing everything we can at the SFA to kill them off.

No matter what Celtic say regarding this matter, all it will do is whip up a frenzy, so whats the point in them coming out and saying anything? We already know now the SPL are not going to vote them into league. its out of our hands now, its down to the SFL to do the right thing.

Sometimes you have to view events from a little distance back to look at things sensibly and objectively. Celtic , undoubtedly, only want the zombies away for the shortest time possible . Self denial rife here

[thelegendthatis]

Why do we need the SPL?

Maybe this should have a thread all of its own, but what we have seen over the last few months especially is Scottish football abdicating responsibility and shuffling responsibility around from the SPL, SFA, SFL. We are now at the stage where it is unclear who can make a decision on anything.

I can understand why the SFA exists. But the SPL?

A body created to maximize income for the member clubs. So those clubs can get a greater share of income than is available to those in lower leagues. And even between themselves 2 clubs had a greater share than the others. With little payback to the development of the sport. A league that has seen 5 (at least) of its members go bust.

The behaviour of their chief executive and some of the member clubs convinces everyone they want to run to an agenda at odds with what the fans of their teams want, and with what the majority of Scottish football wants, at odds with honesty, transparency and honesty. To the extent they have to offer bribes to others to achieve what they want.

The SPL grew out of the ashes of a poor SFA with people like Jim Farry at the helm, great administrator perhaps but no commercial nous.

Is it not time to say that the SPL was a good idea at the time, but it has failed? At a business level, at a football level, and at an honesty level. After all Rangers was a leading member.

Have one body the SFL that has responsibility for ALL divisions.

I am sure that can be incorporated into the reorganisation plan being forced upon us.

[cyderspaceman]

I know, I know - there's always a nagging feeling that underhand shenanigans will see 'Rangers' escape natural justice, simply because they are the people, and the big.... aye, whatever.

FWIW I'm now thinking that Sevco Scotland is going to die by its own hand.

There are more obstacles every day. The Audi thing just being one of them.

Although relatively minor on its own , it could be a " death by a thousand cuts" type thing.

[exiled jambo]

I thank you for enlightening me.

Now to squirm a little to try to rescue myself.

I imagine there will be some interest amongst English fans, not a lot,

mostly driven by ex-pat Scots, IMO.

I'd like to know what the GLOBAL football community thinks.

Can anyone else contribute?

I have signed up for the FIFA site and have seen 2 posts concerning TCFKAR,

both supportive, but in a totally clueless way.

Speaking for Canada nobody gives a flying f*ck. Even the "soccer" people that know about it couldn't care less.

Global brand my arse, that goes for you too Celtic.