adopted beath Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Scottish football is corrupt and totally aimed at satisfying the needs of two clubs.No amount of media spin or arguments from the fans of these two will ever be taken seriously again.This thread and the many others on this subject prove that football fans know the full extent of the corruption in our game and we will never be naive again.Rangers caused this meltdown so i for one will never boycott my club as this affects Rangers not one jot.Traynor,Keevins,Burley etc are easily dealt with.If all the fans on these forums boycotted these papers and replaced them with a competitor i,m sure the editor of these old firm fanzines would quickly take notice.If you dont listen or call in to Traynors radio show there is no show.Why anyone would want to talk to the most ignorant,condescending buffoon on the planet is beyond me anyway.We have to stop getting mad and start getting even. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drooper Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Jane Lewis @JaneLewisSport#Fifa have no concerns over latest developments re. #RangersNewco. Preference is always to leave with National Association, so#sfa. Rephrase, FIFA don't give a rats arse about Scotland This. I posted this a few hundred pages ago and someone claimed tha the SFA are actually a big player on the international stage. I'm pretty confident that I wasn't being whooooshed as I choked on my Crunchy Nut Cornflakes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drooper Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 F*ck what FIFA say. What are UEFA saying ? Hee haw, it would appear, and that, in itself, speaks volumes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Dogma Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Sounds like that advice was based on "safety first". I cant find anything to suggest the newco makes any commitment to keep TUPEd staff for any length of time. All I can find is that proper notice periods must be observed for any change to T&Cs or redundancies. Fair one, but original point is that newco cannot survive on sfl three income. Personally I doubt they can even survive sfl one bearing in mind they also have to pay hughie back 5.5 million who knows terms and interest on that. They have no lines of credit indeed struggled just to get a corporate account. For the suits to corrupt Scottish football for such a basket case is still staggering! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auslander Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) LOL Article from STV in March. Edited July 9, 2012 by Auslander 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustOneCornetto Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Under SFL rules, Dundee had to vote unless there were exceptional circumstances. They requested permission to abstain since there was a conflict of interest. The SFL confirmed this conflict of interest and asked them not to vote, which was what they wanted anyway. Dundee statement If SFL agree with Dundee that there is a conflict of interest then why are Dunfermline not being asked to abstain? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beermonkey Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Or FIFA don't want to be accused of calling the kettle black on corruption... I think they cant act before a conclusion has been reached. Can they ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Scottish football is corrupt and totally aimed at satisfying the needs of two clubs.No amount of media spin or arguments from the fans of these two will ever be taken seriously again.This thread and the many others on this subject prove that football fans know the full extent of the corruption in our game and we will never be naive again.Rangers caused this meltdown so i for one will never boycott my club as this affects Rangers not one jot.Traynor,Keevins,Burley etc are easily dealt with.If all the fans on these forums boycotted these papers and replaced them with a competitor i,m sure the editor of these old firm fanzines would quickly take notice.If you dont listen or call in to Traynors radio show there is no show.Why anyone would want to talk to the most ignorant,condescending buffoon on the planet is beyond me anyway.We have to stop getting mad and start getting even. You'd be amazed how many ignorant, condescending fans of the Sectaro-Bigot faction wish to speak to their "celebrity" kin on a Saturday afternoon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I'm fairly sure the UK Government have "rules" or, let's call them "laws" about paying Tax and NIC on employees' earnings. Will that do you for starters? Remember, rangers (remember them) did not appeal the decision of the SFA Tribunal, just the punishment. So even you must admit it's reasonable for people to have "issues" around the idea of letting these cheating, conniving, thieving b*****ds reform in a new guise and welcoming them into a league which they have dishonored, as if nothing had happened. For the past two months people have been falling over themselves to say Rangers are a new club. HMRC have already said they'd be chasing old owners for what they can get. The issue here isn't with football law, its with the regulations regarding liquidated companies. I don't really see what FIFA can do about that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) I'm not surprised by the FIFA stance nor overly disappointed by it. I assume the UEFA stance will be likewise. The issue here is the role of the SFA and its chief executive. The role of the SFA board is to be responsible to its members and to take cognisance of what is happening in the game, the role of the chief executive is advise the board and to carry out the board's wishes. What appears to be happening here is that the SFA chief executive is trying to dictate to Scottish football. This only happens if the individuals on the board are weak; of course it doesn't help that the chairman of the organisation is badly compromised. Edited July 9, 2012 by Granny Danger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Rephrase, FIFA don't give a rats arse about Scotland It's not just Scotland. They've hardly come down like a ton of bricks on Italy, for instance, where gerrymandering of dead clubs into the upper tiers takes second fiddle to such japes as, say, directly bribing referees and throwing matches. On the other hand, I can definitely see them taking action if SPL2 is formed literally three weeks before the season starts, with no relegation. But then, you'd think that some of the diddy teams would start reaching for their lawyers' phone numbers in that case as well, as they did when Rangers tried to chuck Stranraer etc out back in the day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustOneCornetto Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Never mind all this SFL1 or SFL 3 conjecture did you see that Newco Rangers have failed in their bid to enter Subbuteo 2012/13 pmsl 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I'm not surprised by the FIFA stance nor overly disappointed by it. I assume the UEFA stance will be likewise. The issue here is the role of the SFA and its chief executive. The role of the SFA board is to be responsible to its members and to take cognisance of what is happening in the game, the role of the chief executive is advise the board and to carry out the board's wishes. What appears to be happening here is that the SFA chief executive is trying to dictate to Scottish football. This only happens if the individuals on the board are weak; of course it doesn't help that the chairman of the organisation is badly compromised. Yes, it appears that the SFA find match fixing to be abhorrent but they appear to find nothing wrong with league fixing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Dogma Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Actually I forgot to factor in that newco will also have to repay oldcos footballing debts ie transfers fines and gate monies...anyone know how much this amounts to? This added to five n half million for hughie is a helluva debt for a newco with no working capital no transfer fees no TV money no st sales to speak of limited sponsorship and massive operating costs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Buddie Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 It's not just Scotland. They've hardly come down like a ton of bricks on Italy, for instance, where gerrymandering of dead clubs into the upper tiers takes second fiddle to such japes as, say, directly bribing referees and throwing matches. On the other hand, I can definitely see them taking action if SPL2 is formed literally three weeks before the season starts, with no relegation. But then, you'd think that some of the diddy teams would start reaching for their lawyers' phone numbers in that case as well, as they did when Rangers tried to chuck Stranraer etc out back in the day. Aye, and which SFL club is going to take the SFL to court for an interdict if they break their own rules? Please form an orderly queue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denltfc Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Taken from the Paul McConville Blog - this may answer some of the questions about the SFL clubs being steamrollered. All it needs is one or more clubs to propose an amendment in writing to the second part of the resolution to be put to the meeting on Friday. Rule 58 deals with Amendments to Resolutions:- "58.1 A resolution to be proposed at a general meeting may be amended by a resolution if: 58.1.1 written notice of the proposed amendment is given to the Chief Executive by a person entitled to vote at the general meeting at which it is to be proposed not less than 48 hours before the meeting is to take place; and 58.1.2 the proposed amendment does not, in the reasonable opinion of the Chairman of the meeting, materially alter the scope of the resolution. 58.2 If the Chairman of the meeting acting in good faith wrongly decides that an amendment to a resolution is out of order, the Chairman's error does not invalidate the vote on that resolution. 58.3 An amendment to a resolution shall be put to the meeting first and if carried, the meeting shall then vote on the resolution as so amended." Now any of us who have been involved in national politics, students unions, trade unions etc know the rules can be manipulated, the Chairman could rule an amendment out of order under 58.1.2 but firstly an amendment has to be given to the SFL Chairman. Surely Mr Hutton and others who have shouted loudly have been in touch with each other and are currently drawing up such an amendment. The resolution asks that SPL Board makes the decision as to where Rangers will play so an amendment that the full 30 members vote on where to locate the club could be seen as outside the scope of the resolution. Of course the Chairman's arse is covered by rule 58.2 Perhaps an easier amendment to make is the following to remove the word "First" and replace with "Third", it does not change the resolution much and keeps to the spirit of the original motion (ii) That the Scottish Football League Members direct the Board of Management of The Scottish Football League (the “Board”) to provide that Rangers F.C. shall play in the Third Division of the Scottish Football League during Season 2012/13 unless the Board shall have to its satisfaction negotiated and reached agreement with The Scottish Premier League and The Scottish Football Association on a series of measures which the Board shall consider to be in the best interests of the game, how it is structured, how it is governed and how it is financed, whereupon the Board shall be authorised to provide that Rangers F.C. shall play in the First Third Division of the Scottish Football League during Season 2012/13. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Leitch Loyal Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I wonder if the SFA "suggested" to Dumbarton that the national team might train elsewhere if they voted "no". Can anyone who was at the meeting enlighten us or did Alan Jardine keep that one well hidden? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Fair one, but original point is that newco cannot survive on sfl three income. Personally I doubt they can even survive sfl one bearing in mind they also have to pay hughie back 5.5 million who knows terms and interest on that. They have no lines of credit indeed struggled just to get a corporate account. For the suits to corrupt Scottish football for such a basket case is still staggering! No they cant. As I said, I totally agree with you on that one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeTeeJag Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/ClubLicensing/PartTwo-NationalClubLicensing/8%20%20Legal%20Admin%20&%20Finance%20Criteria%20(2).pdf Section 8.1.1 and 8.1.2 clearly state that the club MUST have 3 years worth of accounts and that these accounts MUST be provided no later than the 30th of April 2012. Also a must is all the insurances needed for players, staff and the public. As well as documentation to show that the club has access to a ground and the right to play there. If absolutely none of these things have been proven, NONE OF THEM, then how is it possible to vote rankers 2.0 into the SFL???? Whilst the governing bodies make up the rules as they go along surely this would be the biggest piss take ever and will never be forgotten? If I was Spartans or Cove Rangers etc I would be getting in touch with my lawyers and getting the courts involved at what is clearly illegal activities. Why has no-one asked questions of Regan, Doncaster, etc and asked how the hell rankers 2.0 can get into the SFL when they meet almost none of their own criteria? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Dogma Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 No they cant. As I said, I totally agree with you on that one. My contention is that the sfa and spl know this and have taken upon themselves to try to save newco no matter the costs to the sport as a whole here. Maybe they are just inept or maybe having been brought up in England with limited coverage of the history of Scottish footy they genuinely believe the of is Scottish footy but it isn't their job to save newco...it's the job of newcos board. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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