Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[beermonkey]

Put the bottle down and step away from the computer old yin.

He cant......He's obsessed with telling people they're obsessed.

Oh....And spelling.

[red daughter]

I thought this thread was about the liquidation of Rangers. It now seems to be all about the how and the why of the folk who post their views on the subject of the liquidation of Rangers. Round and round and round it goes. Some folk are obsessed with the BRALT's contributors, it seems.

You know who you are.

Will the BRALT be closed once the liquidation process is completed?

[Monkey Tennis]

Needy people trying desperately to appear normal.

Nothing coherent or sensible to say then. Instead we get repetition of the same point, which you conspicuously fail to support.

You come across like RedRob's older brother, the one who passed the 11+.

Edited August 1, 2015 by Monkey Tennis

[weirdcal]

I thought this thread was about the liquidation of Rangers. It now seems to be all about the how and the why of the folk who post their views on the subject of the liquidation of Rangers. Round and round and round it goes. Some folk are obsessed with the BRALT's contributors, it seems.

You know who you are.

Will the BRALT be closed once the liquidation process is completed?

Na, the rangers fans see the new club as a continuation so this will most likely be the same when dodgy Dave pulls the plug in Feb next year

[bennett]

Apparently the impartial BBC have spat the dummy oot and will not be covering any Rangers games.

oh well I suppose we'll just have to cope with missing out on all those games they cover.....

[Insaintee]

There is, of course, a perfectly reasonable argument to be made here. All five of you have invested too much of your P&B career discussing Rangers to make it, though.

Em... P&B isnae a career. Get help man

[ThirdrockfromtheSon]

Apparently the impartial BBC have spat the dummy oot and will not be covering any Rangers games.

oh well I suppose we'll just have to cope with missing out on all those games they cover.....

Don't see much of a problem with that, since a fair few of you just stream the matches for free anyway.

And it means you don't need to boycott the BBC since you will be watching the games for free elsewhere.

[ThirdrockfromtheSon]

I thought this thread was about the liquidation of Rangers. It now seems to be all about the how and the why of the folk who post their views on the subject of the liquidation of Rangers. Round and round and round it goes. Some folk are obsessed with the BRALT's contributors, it seems.

You know who you are.

Will the BRALT be closed once the liquidation process is completed?

I hope so. The original intention has been diluted so much, it has been in terminal decline for a long time now, and has become a poor substitute for the Celtic v Rangers, Ranger v Celtic forum.

Not that that forum was anything special - so you can see how much, much poorer the BRALT has become

[flyingrodent]

A reminder here that Rangers keep banning BBC journalists and the BBC more widely because

a) the BBC is prevented by its charter from indulging in the kind of protracted, poisonous vendettas that e.g. the Sun or the Record can. The BBC won't respond to a ban by running three weeks of daily headlines about the chairman's dodgy past or the team's parlous finances, but the Sun will. This is why it's usually the BBC that gets banned, while the Sun doesn't, despite the fact that the Sun has attacked various Rangers figures far more viciously than the BBC ever could in the past.

This is the same reason why, whenever a politician gets on his high-horse about "media bias" or suchlike, it's almost always the BBC rather than the Sun that they target. And

b) because banning journalists greatly impresses the stupider parts of the Rangers support, much as politicians attacking the BBC impresses the stupider politics fan.

It's abject cowardice dressed up as courage, and it should be treated with derision.

[McRuffian]

A reminder here that Rangers keep banning BBC journalists and the BBC more widely because

a) the BBC is prevented by its charter from indulging in the kind of protracted, poisonous vendettas that e.g. the Sun or the Record can. The BBC won't respond to a ban by running three weeks of daily headlines about the chairman's dodgy past or the team's parlous finances, but the Sun will. This is why it's usually the BBC that gets banned, while the Sun doesn't, despite the fact that the Sun has attacked various Rangers figures far more viciously than the BBC ever could in the past.

This is the same reason why, whenever a politician gets on his high-horse about "media bias" or suchlike, it's almost always the BBC rather than the Sun that they target. And

b) because banning journalists greatly impresses the stupider parts of the Rangers support, much as politicians attacking the BBC impresses the stupider politics fan.

It's abject cowardice dressed up as courage, and it should be treated with derision.

[flyingrodent]

An equally ridiculous incident, every bit as petty and daft IMO.

Edited August 1, 2015 by flyingrodent

[williemillersmoustache]

what was the bbc story that had the bears up in arms anyhoo?

[bennett]

Celtic fans taking the moral high ground over banning certain journalists, forgetting that their club has banned Kheevins and Jackson recently.

Didn't our dundonian friends also recently ban the BBC? I don't remember any outcry over that.

[bennett]

THE BBC have been hit with a £3million libel writ by the men who handled the Rangers takeover.

Three top accountants from Duff and Phelps have personally filed papers seeking damages over an expose of the controversial sale of the club to Craig Whyte in 2011.

David Grier, Paul Clark and David Whitehouse lodged the defamation writ at Glasgow Sheriff Court the same court which will host a criminal trial centred on their handling of the Rangers administration.

The trios role was called into question by the BBC Scotland documentary, Rangers: The Men Who Sold The Jerseys.

The programme, presented by Mark Daly, made serious allegations about Duff and Phelps partner Grier and his role in Whytes takeover of Rangers, where Whyte used funds raised from ticketing firm Ticketus.

Daly is personally named in the writ, along with the BBC and an expert witness who appeared on the programme in May 2012.

It was shown 12 months after Whyte officially bought the club, and just three months after it plunged into insolvency in February 2012.

Whyte bought Rangers from Sir David Murray for £1 and paid an £18million debt to Lloyds Bank by selling three years of season tickets to Ticketus for £25million. The Daily Record revealed the Ticketus deal.

As well as being involved in Whytes takeover, Duff and Phelps were appointed as Rangers administrators after the clubs finances went into meltdown following the sale.

The documentary also raised questions over whether it was appropriate for Duff and Phelps to accept the appointment as administrators, given the nature of the firms relationship with Whyte.

Duff and Phelps threatened to sue in 2012 but no writ was forthcoming. The three employees served their writ in May this year.

But shortly after it was served at the BBCs HQ in Glasgow, the writ was sisted by Grier, Whitehouse and Clark. That means it was put on the back burner so no hearings would take place before any criminal trial ends.

A legal insider said: The action was promised but it went very quiet until the writ appeared, which came within days of the third anniversary of the documentarys screening.

It may be that the pursuers feel they have a strong case and can win serious damages. They may be seeking an out- of-court settlement, or they may wish to be seen to be challenging the very serious allegations in the programme.

Cases that are sisted fall into different categories. Some have good reason to be put on hold and others are simply being kicked into the long grass. We will have to wait and se what category this falls into.

In the immediate aftermath of the 2012 documentary, David Grier issued a statement denying he was aware of the Ticketus claims.

He said: I categorically deny that at the time of the Craig Whyte takeover of Rangers, I had any knowledge that funds from Ticketus were being used to acquire the club.

This accusation is wrong, highly defamatory and betrays a lack of understanding of the facts.

Craig Whyte is due to stand trial alongside the Duff and Phelps trio and solicitor Gary Withey later this year.

Clark and Whitehouse were appointed joint administrators of Rangers on Valentines Day 2012, after the club failed to meet PAYE and VAT demands of around £9million owed to Her Majestys Revenue and Customs.

An earlier investigation into whether they should have taken on the role was quashed by the Insolvency Practitioners Association.

Whyte was released on bail in November at Glasgow Sheriff Court, where he is accused of fraudulently plotting to take over at Ibrox.

He faces a string of charges including claims that he failed to pay VAT and national insurance at the club. Whitehouse, Clark and Grier face charges of attempting to pervert the course of justice.

The BBC yesterday confirmed that the writ from Clark, Whitehouse and Grier had been served. A spokesman said: We stand by our journalism and the action will be robustly defended.

A spokesman for Duff and Phelps said: Duff and Phelps is not a party in this action and therefore we have no comment

Edit. What is it with spacing on android devices?

Edited August 1, 2015 by bennett

[kiddy]

When do they run out of cash, that's the bottom line.

[bennett]

When do they run out of cash, that's the bottom line.

The BBC or the duff and Phelps three?

[flyingrodent]

Celtic fans taking the moral high ground over banning certain journalists, forgetting that their club has banned Kheevins and Jackson recently. Didn't our dundonian friends also recently ban the BBC? I don't remember any outcry over that.

As I said earlier, the bans on Keevins and Jackson were also petty and ridiculous.

THE BBC have been hit with a £3million libel writ by the men who handled the Rangers takeover.

Three top accountants from Duff and Phelps have personally filed papers seeking damages over an expose of the controversial sale of the club to Craig Whyte in 2011.

David Grier, Paul Clark and David Whitehouse lodged the defamation writ at Glasgow Sheriff Court the same court which will host a criminal trial centred on their handling of the Rangers administration.

The trios role was called into question by the BBC Scotland documentary, Rangers: The Men Who Sold The Jerseys.

The programme, presented by Mark Daly, made serious allegations about Duff and Phelps partner Grier and his role in Whytes takeover of Rangers, where Whyte used funds raised from ticketing firm Ticketus.

Daly is personally named in the writ, along with the BBC and an expert witness who appeared on the programme in May 2012.

It was shown 12 months after Whyte officially bought the club, and just three months after it plunged into insolvency in February 2012.

Whyte bought Rangers from Sir David Murray for £1 and paid an £18million debt to Lloyds Bank by selling three years of season tickets to Ticketus for £25million. The Daily Record revealed the Ticketus deal.

As well as being involved in Whytes takeover, Duff and Phelps were appointed as Rangers administrators after the clubs finances went into meltdown following the sale.

The documentary also raised questions over whether it was appropriate for Duff and Phelps to accept the appointment as administrators, given the nature of the firms relationship with Whyte.

Duff and Phelps threatened to sue in 2012 but no writ was forthcoming. The three employees served their writ in May this year.

But shortly after it was served at the BBCs HQ in Glasgow, the writ was sisted by Grier, Whitehouse and Clark. That means it was put on the back burner so no hearings would take place before any criminal trial ends.

A legal insider said: The action was promised but it went very quiet until the writ appeared, which came within days of the third anniversary of the documentarys screening.

It may be that the pursuers feel they have a strong case and can win serious damages. They may be seeking an out- of-court settlement, or they may wish to be seen to be challenging the very serious allegations in the programme.

Cases that are sisted fall into different categories. Some have good reason to be put on hold and others are simply being kicked into the long grass. We will have to wait and se what category this falls into.

In the immediate aftermath of the 2012 documentary, David Grier issued a statement denying he was aware of the Ticketus claims.

He said: I categorically deny that at the time of the Craig Whyte takeover of Rangers, I had any knowledge that funds from Ticketus were being used to acquire the club.

This accusation is wrong, highly defamatory and betrays a lack of understanding of the facts.

Craig Whyte is due to stand trial alongside the Duff and Phelps trio and solicitor Gary Withey later this year.

Clark and Whitehouse were appointed joint administrators of Rangers on Valentines Day 2012, after the club failed to meet PAYE and VAT demands of around £9million owed to Her Majestys Revenue and Customs.

An earlier investigation into whether they should have taken on the role was quashed by the Insolvency Practitioners Association.

Whyte was released on bail in November at Glasgow Sheriff Court, where he is accused of fraudulently plotting to take over at Ibrox.

He faces a string of charges including claims that he failed to pay VAT and national insurance at the club. Whitehouse, Clark and Grier face charges of attempting to pervert the course of justice.

The BBC yesterday confirmed that the writ from Clark, Whitehouse and Grier had been served. A spokesman said: We stand by our journalism and the action will be robustly defended.

A spokesman for Duff and Phelps said: Duff and Phelps is not a party in this action and therefore we have no comment

Edit. What is it with spacing on android devices?

Interesting - Clark, Whitehouse and Grier were arrested and charged with fraud alongside Craig Whyte.

Which side do you hope wins this legal spat, Benny? Clark, Whitehouse and Grier or the BBC, i.e. the men who drove the final nail into your club's coffin, or the people who warned you that the hole was being dug?

[WhiteRoseKillie]

THE BBC have been hit with a £3million libel writ by the men who handled the Rangers takeover.

Three top accountants from Duff and Phelps have personally filed papers seeking damages over an expose of the controversial sale of the club to Craig Whyte in 2011.

David Grier, Paul Clark and David Whitehouse lodged the defamation writ at Glasgow Sheriff Court the same court which will host a criminal trial centred on their handling of the Rangers administration.

The trios role was called into question by the BBC Scotland documentary, Rangers: The Men Who Sold The Jerseys.

The programme, presented by Mark Daly, made serious allegations about Duff and Phelps partner Grier and his role in Whytes takeover of Rangers, where Whyte used funds raised from ticketing firm Ticketus.

Daly is personally named in the writ, along with the BBC and an expert witness who appeared on the programme in May 2012.

It was shown 12 months after Whyte officially bought the club, and just three months after it plunged into insolvency in February 2012.

Whyte bought Rangers from Sir David Murray for £1 and paid an £18million debt to Lloyds Bank by selling three years of season tickets to Ticketus for £25million. The Daily Record revealed the Ticketus deal.

As well as being involved in Whytes takeover, Duff and Phelps were appointed as Rangers administrators after the clubs finances went into meltdown following the sale.

The documentary also raised questions over whether it was appropriate for Duff and Phelps to accept the appointment as administrators, given the nature of the firms relationship with Whyte.

Duff and Phelps threatened to sue in 2012 but no writ was forthcoming. The three employees served their writ in May this year.

But shortly after it was served at the BBCs HQ in Glasgow, the writ was sisted by Grier, Whitehouse and Clark. That means it was put on the back burner so no hearings would take place before any criminal trial ends.

A legal insider said: The action was promised but it went very quiet until the writ appeared, which came within days of the third anniversary of the documentarys screening.

It may be that the pursuers feel they have a strong case and can win serious damages. They may be seeking an out- of-court settlement, or they may wish to be seen to be challenging the very serious allegations in the programme.

Cases that are sisted fall into different categories. Some have good reason to be put on hold and others are simply being kicked into the long grass. We will have to wait and se what category this falls into.

In the immediate aftermath of the 2012 documentary, David Grier issued a statement denying he was aware of the Ticketus claims.

He said: I categorically deny that at the time of the Craig Whyte takeover of Rangers, I had any knowledge that funds from Ticketus were being used to acquire the club.

This accusation is wrong, highly defamatory and betrays a lack of understanding of the facts.

Craig Whyte is due to stand trial alongside the Duff and Phelps trio and solicitor Gary Withey later this year.

Clark and Whitehouse were appointed joint administrators of Rangers on Valentines Day 2012, after the club failed to meet PAYE and VAT demands of around £9million owed to Her Majestys Revenue and Customs.

An earlier investigation into whether they should have taken on the role was quashed by the Insolvency Practitioners Association.

Whyte was released on bail in November at Glasgow Sheriff Court, where he is accused of fraudulently plotting to take over at Ibrox.

He faces a string of charges including claims that he failed to pay VAT and national insurance at the club. Whitehouse, Clark and Grier face charges of attempting to pervert the course of justice.

The BBC yesterday confirmed that the writ from Clark, Whitehouse and Grier had been served. A spokesman said: We stand by our journalism and the action will be robustly defended.

A spokesman for Duff and Phelps said: Duff and Phelps is not a party in this action and therefore we have no comment

Edit. What is it with spacing on android devices?

It only seems to be a problem for those who copy and paste large chunks of others' material. Try writing your own stuff occasionally.

[bennett]

As I said earlier, the bans on Keevins and Jackson were also petty and ridiculous.

Interesting - Clark, Whitehouse and Grier were arrested and charged with fraud alongside Craig Whyte.

Which side do you hope wins this legal spat, Benny? Clark, Whitehouse and Grier or the BBC, i.e. the men who drove the final nail into your club's coffin, or the people who warned you that the hole was being dug?

Must've missed your post about scoop and shoe, was meaning more facebook and twitter.

.........

I hope both sides rip themselves to bits here.

The D&P 3 I'd like to see jailed and i think a lot of info could come out in a court case involving them and beeb, which could show both in a poor light.

[flyingrodent]

Must've missed your post about scoop and shoe, was meaning more facebook and twitter. ......... I hope both sides rip themselves to bits here. The D&P 3 I'd like to see jailed and i think a lot of info could come out in a court case involving them and beeb, which could show both in a poor light.

Just to be clear - you can't bring yourself to pick sides between

a) some journalists who reported that Rangers FC had been taken over by fraudsters and

b) the men who were charged with deliberately defrauding your club to death?

Is that right?