johnnyc13 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Decide for yourselves I suppose http://www.scotzine.com/2015/08/rangers-fan-rep-in-scott-allan-homophobic-slur/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the 67 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) I cannot recall this at video., however it is as monkey pointed out a fairly serious accusation and would be pretty shocking if true, I really think given that you posted the accusation that you should at least post the proof.There is a video if you Google his name and homophobic.Just watched it. edit to add this video was on various forums.....can't seem to find tweets only a vid Edited November 8, 2015 by the 67 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I cannot recall this at all, however it is as monkey pointed out a fairly serious accusation and would be pretty shocking if true, I really think given that you posted the accusation that you should at least post the proof. http://www.scotzine.com/2015/08/rangers-fan-rep-in-scott-allan-homophobic-slur/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Fair enough. SPL rules at the time though, seemed to say that all details of paying players by whatever means, had to be disclosed when registering players to participate in competitions. This was very clearly breached. The LNS ruling did seem to say that it didn't involve them being ineligible though. As I recall too, there was something about retrospective punishment not being possible. It seems they got off on a technicality. If so, I don't see how it's changed to be honest, but it's hardly a convincing argument as to why Rangers should keep the titles. Non payment of tax on this scale has quite simply not been punished. A lesser example of it was punished by a brief signing embargo. It's like claiming that someone who has already been punished for shoplifting, can not in future be punished for armed robbery. The argument that something unjust must be left in place, in case any future examination is susceptible to external influence is ridiculous. Thanks for answering, but conspicuous by its absence from your response, is any argument about Rangers 'deserving' to keep the trophies. I think that omitting such a claim was wise, but it tells us, and you, something revealing. Non payment of tax (all taxes) was punished and quite severely. You can't go back and add a punishment just because its Rangers. Spfl punish Rangers, then a year later on an appeal is won..... You work it out Spfl punish Rangers before an appeal is held, that could prejudice any appeal. If there was nothing in the SPL rule book to strip titles then the slpf can't simply retrospectively add one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njord Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 http://www.scotzine.com/2015/08/rangers-fan-rep-in-scott-allan-homophobic-slur/ Still up on scotzine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njord Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 There is a video if you Google his name and homophobic. Just watched it. edit to add this video was on various forums.....can't seem to find tweets only a vid Still on scotzine link harry wragg posted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyc13 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Where did I say 'must not of have happened?' that's right I didn't. I did say it would be pretty shocking if true. Chris Graham is a racist.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Decide for yourselves I suppose http://www.scotzine.com/2015/08/rangers-fan-rep-in-scott-allan-homophobic-slur/ No doubt there'll be an apologist along to say that it's not overly homophobic and perhaps just goes along with the seemingly 'yoof' definition of 'gay' meaning 'a bit crap'; but either way, a grown man put the time and effort into making it. A grown man who seems to be the voice, whether self-appointed or not, of other folks. People's Front of Judea and whatnot, but still. Wow. Ha! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyc13 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Homophobes, drug dealers and racists, tedis hereos 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the 67 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 http://www.scotzine.com/2015/08/rangers-fan-rep-in-scott-allan-homophobic-slur/ Still up on scotzine. Also on morningstar online.....says when confronted by journalist tom English about it on show, got into slanging match and accused English of pandering to the Celtic support. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 If that's what you want to believe then fine, I am happy to buy programmes because I know otherwise. Ashley blocked SOS from selling ST holders ,they were selling for charity because they had the Rangers logo on it, but you think that he gets no money from official program sales? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 No doubt there'll be an apologist along to say that it's not overly homophobic and perhaps just goes along with the seemingly 'yoof' definition of 'gay' meaning 'a bit crap'; but either way, a grown man put the time and effort into making it. A grown man who seems to be the voice, whether self-appointed or not, of other folks. People's Front of Judea and whatnot, but still. Wow. Ha! Yes, I'd agree. It strikes me more as embarrassing than anything else, that a bloke of his age would post such a thing. It does also conform to any sensible definition of homophobia though and is no way at all for someone with a representative platform (or anyone else for that matter) to behave. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyc13 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Tedis satisfied, we can all rest easily now, he's never wrong 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Decide for yourselves I suppose http://www.scotzine.com/2015/08/rangers-fan-rep-in-scott-allan-homophobic-slur/ Not going on muirheads site but I'm guessing it's the stupid laddish 'that's so gay' kind of thing? If it is then its more childish than anything and he needs to grow up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Not going on muirheads site but I'm guessing it's the stupid laddish 'that's so gay' kind of thing? If it is then its more childish than anything and he needs to grow up. As depressingly predicted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Non payment of tax (all taxes) was punished and quite severely. You can't go back and add a punishment just because its Rangers. Spfl punish Rangers, then a year later on an appeal is won..... You work it out Spfl punish Rangers before an appeal is held, that could prejudice any appeal. If there was nothing in the SPL rule book to strip titles then the slpf can't simply retrospectively add one. No , not because it's Rangers. Because this one is the same type of offence, but it was committed separately and on a much bigger scale over a much more sustained period. So no decision can ever be made, in case a ruling is appealed? Surely, any such process must run out at some point. At this point, would you recognise title stripping as potentially just? "Nothing in SPL rules" sounds like a reliance on a technicality to keep titles. Would you not honestly prefer to relinquish them voluntarily, than retain such tarnished versions of them, in the interests of self-respect? I mean it Bennett - I'm grateful for you trying to answer. None of your arguments however have even attempted a moral justification for Rangers clinging to these titles. Is there one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Bennett farts The_Kincardigan awards greenie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Not going on muirheads site but I'm guessing it's the stupid laddish 'that's so gay' kind of thing? If it is then its more childish than anything and he needs to grow up. Pretty much as I as see it, but it is unacceptable as well as cringeworthy I'd have thought. It doesn't merely describe Allan's decision as gay. It instead describes him as "so gay". It's not on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Pretty much as I as see it, but it is unacceptable as well as cringeworthy I'd have thought. It doesn't merely describe Allan's decision as gay. It instead describes him as "so gay". It's not on. Amazing the amount of people who in their minds don't see anything wrong with it as its being aimed at straight people. Outright homophobia (in my experience) is rare nowadays but the casual variety is still commonplace tho declining. Water off a ducks back to me as I've heard it all but for a man of his age to be acting like a primary kid is embarrassing and stupid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Pretty much as I as see it, but it is unacceptable as well as cringeworthy I'd have thought.It doesn't merely describe Allan's decision as gay. It instead describes him as "so gay". It's not on. Honestly, when I was watching it, all I could hear was Hank Hill saying 'that's asinine'. KOTH seems kinda relevant for the journey given Peggy's unwarranted superiority complex, Dale's crackpot conspiracies, Bill being fat and thick and then 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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