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Yes Hibs are are different club.

No..same club, different structure, no players TUPED, no transfer of membership.

Nothing was transferred it was purchased, just the same when Murray bought Rangers 1873.

 

A wee reminder of various club deaths and rebirths. Note most of them are honest about it.

 

Aldershot Town FC - died 1992 - new club Aldershot Town FC currently playing in National League (5th tier)

Chester City FC - died 2010 - new club Chester FC currently playing in National League (5th tier)

Halifax Town AFC - died 2008 - new club FC Halifax Town currently playing in National League (5th tier)

Gretna FC - died 2008 - new club Gretna 2008 FC currently playing in the Lowland League

Rangers FC - died 2012 - new club, originated as Sevco5088,  trying to get away with calling themselves Rangers FC to give the false impression they didn't die, currently playing in the Championship

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Yes Hibs are are different club.

No..same club, different structure, no players TUPED, no transfer of membership.

Nothing was transferred it was purchased, just the same when Murray bought Rangers 1873.

 

yet for over 100 years both hibs and hearts have been considered the same clubs they were before hibs vanished for a year and hearts newcoed in 1905, the denying of over 100 years of precedent only started after 2012 - wonder why? :rolleyes:

 

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A wee reminder of various club deaths and rebirths. Note most of them are honest about it.

 

Aldershot Town FC - died 1992 - new club Aldershot Town FC currently playing in National League (5th tier)Chester City FC - died 2010 - new club Chester FC currently playing in National League (5th tier)Halifax Town AFC - died 2008 - new club FC Halifax Town currently playing in National League (5th tier)Gretna FC - died 2008 - new club Gretna 2008 FC currently playing in the Lowland LeagueRangers FC - died 2012 - new club, originated as Sevco5088,  trying to get away with calling themselves Rangers FC to give the false impression they didn't die, currently playing in the Championship

It's a good point. I'm very happy to consider those clubs as sort of the same too.

Continuity happens for those clubs in that they're still followed by the same people for the same reasons. There's a mature recognition however that while things like fan base and colours remained, something very significant changed.

The difference however has a lot to do with those reasons for following your club. For fans of those clubs, they wanted a team with a local identity to watch playing matches. They didn't love their club of choice because of how much it had won and would win in future.

That's why the question of continuity has been so massively loaded for Rangers fans.

A great many of them really do need to be able to say "most successful...", "going for 55" etc. Such things are absolutely central to why so many support the club at all.

Therein lies the difference.

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yet for over 100 years both hibs and hearts have been considered the same clubs they were before hibs vanished for a year and hearts newcoed in 1905, the denying of over 100 years of precedent only started after 2012 - wonder why? :rolleyes:

 

 

Because prior to the event Rangers supporters realised that Liquidation meant the end of the club. You even held up red cards to somehow prevent it.

 

Whatever the circumstances back in the 19th century, I don't think either Hearts or Hibs were liquidated.

 

Unlike Halifax Town, Hereford United, Chester City, Gretna, Rangers etc

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A wee reminder of various club deaths and rebirths. Note most of them are honest about it.

 

Aldershot Town FC - died 1992 - new club Aldershot Town FC currently playing in National League (5th tier)

Chester City FC - died 2010 - new club Chester FC currently playing in National League (5th tier)

Halifax Town AFC - died 2008 - new club FC Halifax Town currently playing in National League (5th tier)

Gretna FC - died 2008 - new club Gretna 2008 FC currently playing in the Lowland League

Rangers FC - died 2012 - new club, originated as Sevco5088,  trying to get away with calling themselves Rangers FC to give the false impression they didn't die, currently playing in the Championship

 

you missed out all the ones that are more relevant to rangers situation

 

hibs - formed 1875 - stopped operating 1891 - same club

hearts - formed 1874 - newcoed 1905 - same club

leeds  - formed 1919 - newcoed 2008 - same club

luton - formed 1885 - newcoed 2007 - same club

middelsbourgh formed 1876 newcoed 1986 - same club

 

there are probably another 10 english examples as well

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Hearts and ibs weren't liquidated, dull ken says......

What says the good people of P and B?

I think they probably were, or that an equivalent action took place.

Yes, the modern day versions of those clubs are but partial versions of those from the nineteenth century.

Not a problem.

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Because prior to the event Rangers supporters realised that Liquidation meant the end of the club. You even held up red cards to somehow prevent it.

 

Whatever the circumstances back in the 19th century, I don't think either Hearts or Hibs were liquidated.

 

Unlike Halifax Town, Hereford United, Chester City, Gretna, Rangers etc

 

hearts were and newcoed in 1905

 

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Hearts and Hibs both were I think, but the rules at the time allowed them to maintain a continuous record because they paid all their debts.

Because old Rangers were a company, when they got liquidated, that was that. They need reminded of this for all time. Or pay your debts you fucking cheats.

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you missed out all the ones that are more relevant to rangers situation

 

hibs - formed 1875 - stopped operating 1891 - same club

hearts - formed 1874 - newcoed 1905 - same club

leeds  - formed 1919 - newcoed 2008 - same club

luton - formed 1885 - newcoed 2007 - same club

middelsbourgh formed 1876 newcoed 1986 - same club

 

there are probably another 10 english examples as well

Middlesbrough had '1986' on their badge for a good number of years after the rebirth.

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I think they probably were, or that an equivalent action took place. Yes, the modern day versions of those clubs are but partial versions of those from the nineteenth century. Not a problem.

as already pointed out, no-one considered them partial versions before 2012, over 100 years of precedent binned because it didnt fit the rangers new club narrative

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you missed out all the ones that are more relevant to rangers situation

 

hibs - formed 1875 - stopped operating 1891 - same club

hearts - formed 1874 - newcoed 1905 - same club

leeds  - formed 1919 - newcoed 2008 - same club

luton - formed 1885 - newcoed 2007 - same club

middelsbourgh formed 1876 newcoed 1986 - same club

 

there are probably another 10 english examples as well

 

how many of those were liquidated?

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I think the fact everyone involved had died half a century before might have had something to do with it m8.

Also, when Airdrieonians got liquidated, that was it. When Gretna got liquidated, that was it.

Your guff would be better written as "how come it was only in 2012 that people started pretending incorporated companies could survive liquidation?".

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Hearts and Hibs both were I think, but the rules at the time allowed them to maintain a continuous record because they paid all their debts.

Because old Rangers were a company, when they got liquidated, that was that. They need reminded of this for all time. Or pay your debts you fucking cheats.

Are you an expert in early 20th century and late 19th century insolvency laws?

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