Ken Fitlike Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Yes Hibs are are different club. No..same club, different structure, no players TUPED, no transfer of membership. Nothing was transferred it was purchased, just the same when Murray bought Rangers 1873. A wee reminder of various club deaths and rebirths. Note most of them are honest about it. Aldershot Town FC - died 1992 - new club Aldershot Town FC currently playing in National League (5th tier) Chester City FC - died 2010 - new club Chester FC currently playing in National League (5th tier) Halifax Town AFC - died 2008 - new club FC Halifax Town currently playing in National League (5th tier) Gretna FC - died 2008 - new club Gretna 2008 FC currently playing in the Lowland League Rangers FC - died 2012 - new club, originated as Sevco5088, trying to get away with calling themselves Rangers FC to give the false impression they didn't die, currently playing in the Championship 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Dull kens still banging the drum..... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 'Rangers' fans should just accept that this drum will always be banging - you lot would be happy to carry on pretending the last 4 years never happened. You need regular reminders of your true status. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 You do realise that we're Laughing at morons like you, who have devoted their entire lives to all things sevco? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nacho Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Yes Hibs are are different club. No..same club, different structure, no players TUPED, no transfer of membership. Nothing was transferred it was purchased, just the same when Murray bought Rangers 1873. yet for over 100 years both hibs and hearts have been considered the same clubs they were before hibs vanished for a year and hearts newcoed in 1905, the denying of over 100 years of precedent only started after 2012 - wonder why? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 A wee reminder of various club deaths and rebirths. Note most of them are honest about it. Aldershot Town FC - died 1992 - new club Aldershot Town FC currently playing in National League (5th tier)Chester City FC - died 2010 - new club Chester FC currently playing in National League (5th tier)Halifax Town AFC - died 2008 - new club FC Halifax Town currently playing in National League (5th tier)Gretna FC - died 2008 - new club Gretna 2008 FC currently playing in the Lowland LeagueRangers FC - died 2012 - new club, originated as Sevco5088, trying to get away with calling themselves Rangers FC to give the false impression they didn't die, currently playing in the Championship It's a good point. I'm very happy to consider those clubs as sort of the same too. Continuity happens for those clubs in that they're still followed by the same people for the same reasons. There's a mature recognition however that while things like fan base and colours remained, something very significant changed. The difference however has a lot to do with those reasons for following your club. For fans of those clubs, they wanted a team with a local identity to watch playing matches. They didn't love their club of choice because of how much it had won and would win in future. That's why the question of continuity has been so massively loaded for Rangers fans. A great many of them really do need to be able to say "most successful...", "going for 55" etc. Such things are absolutely central to why so many support the club at all. Therein lies the difference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 yet for over 100 years both hibs and hearts have been considered the same clubs they were before hibs vanished for a year and hearts newcoed in 1905, the denying of over 100 years of precedent only started after 2012 - wonder why? Because prior to the event Rangers supporters realised that Liquidation meant the end of the club. You even held up red cards to somehow prevent it. Whatever the circumstances back in the 19th century, I don't think either Hearts or Hibs were liquidated. Unlike Halifax Town, Hereford United, Chester City, Gretna, Rangers etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Hearts and ibs weren't liquidated, dull ken says...... What says the good people of P and B? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nacho Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 A wee reminder of various club deaths and rebirths. Note most of them are honest about it. Aldershot Town FC - died 1992 - new club Aldershot Town FC currently playing in National League (5th tier) Chester City FC - died 2010 - new club Chester FC currently playing in National League (5th tier) Halifax Town AFC - died 2008 - new club FC Halifax Town currently playing in National League (5th tier) Gretna FC - died 2008 - new club Gretna 2008 FC currently playing in the Lowland League Rangers FC - died 2012 - new club, originated as Sevco5088, trying to get away with calling themselves Rangers FC to give the false impression they didn't die, currently playing in the Championship you missed out all the ones that are more relevant to rangers situation hibs - formed 1875 - stopped operating 1891 - same club hearts - formed 1874 - newcoed 1905 - same club leeds - formed 1919 - newcoed 2008 - same club luton - formed 1885 - newcoed 2007 - same club middelsbourgh formed 1876 newcoed 1986 - same club there are probably another 10 english examples as well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Folk still do this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Hearts and ibs weren't liquidated, dull ken says...... What says the good people of P and B? I think they probably were, or that an equivalent action took place. Yes, the modern day versions of those clubs are but partial versions of those from the nineteenth century. Not a problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nacho Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Because prior to the event Rangers supporters realised that Liquidation meant the end of the club. You even held up red cards to somehow prevent it. Whatever the circumstances back in the 19th century, I don't think either Hearts or Hibs were liquidated. Unlike Halifax Town, Hereford United, Chester City, Gretna, Rangers etc hearts were and newcoed in 1905 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Hearts and Hibs both were I think, but the rules at the time allowed them to maintain a continuous record because they paid all their debts. Because old Rangers were a company, when they got liquidated, that was that. They need reminded of this for all time. Or pay your debts you fucking cheats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 you missed out all the ones that are more relevant to rangers situation hibs - formed 1875 - stopped operating 1891 - same club hearts - formed 1874 - newcoed 1905 - same club leeds - formed 1919 - newcoed 2008 - same club luton - formed 1885 - newcoed 2007 - same club middelsbourgh formed 1876 newcoed 1986 - same club there are probably another 10 english examples as well Middlesbrough had '1986' on their badge for a good number of years after the rebirth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nacho Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 I think they probably were, or that an equivalent action took place. Yes, the modern day versions of those clubs are but partial versions of those from the nineteenth century. Not a problem. as already pointed out, no-one considered them partial versions before 2012, over 100 years of precedent binned because it didnt fit the rangers new club narrative 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nacho Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Middlesbrough had '1986' on their badge for a good number of years after the rebirth. they changed their name in 86 as well and yet are still considered the same club 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 you missed out all the ones that are more relevant to rangers situation hibs - formed 1875 - stopped operating 1891 - same club hearts - formed 1874 - newcoed 1905 - same club leeds - formed 1919 - newcoed 2008 - same club luton - formed 1885 - newcoed 2007 - same club middelsbourgh formed 1876 newcoed 1986 - same club there are probably another 10 english examples as well how many of those were liquidated? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 I think the fact everyone involved had died half a century before might have had something to do with it m8. Also, when Airdrieonians got liquidated, that was it. When Gretna got liquidated, that was it. Your guff would be better written as "how come it was only in 2012 that people started pretending incorporated companies could survive liquidation?". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Hearts and Hibs both were I think, but the rules at the time allowed them to maintain a continuous record because they paid all their debts. Because old Rangers were a company, when they got liquidated, that was that. They need reminded of this for all time. Or pay your debts you fucking cheats. Are you an expert in early 20th century and late 19th century insolvency laws? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Why yes, Ebenezer McGillicuddy is the name, sir. All manner of legalistic undertakings undertaken. Ps blogs lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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