GordieBoy80 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 people are aware that the pars trust and the pars supporters trust are 2 completely separate entities with no connection to each other right ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoversMad Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 people are aware that the pars trust and the pars supporters trust are 2 completely separate entities with no connection to each other right ? Why do you need 2 trusts? By f**k you like to over complicate things down Halbeath Road don't you..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordieBoy80 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Why do you need 2 trusts? By f**k you like to over complicate things down Halbeath Road don't you..... The Pars Trust is the registered charity of the club, the Supporters Trust is... well exactly that. The two are not linked 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoversMad Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Which one would you trust with your cash? & I assume its the club one that's in debt (if indeed that previous post was correct) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordieBoy80 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Which one would you trust with your cash? & I assume its the club one that's in debt (if indeed that previous post was correct) I'm not convinced by either of them tbh I need more information on the supporters trust and yes it's the club one that's in debt(if that post's true, and it probably is). I wouldn't trust the club with any money at all, not even chocolate coins. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I think I went on the Falkirk Forum once after they got stuffed for LOL value. It would be mighty depressing if I spent much more time on another club's Forum than that though. Are we still alive then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingapar Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 "director" at Dunfermline means one of two things. 1. flingin' money in the pit. 2. related to the Masterton family. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdypar Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 From the PST meeting on Thursday I can confirm two things. 1) Monthly wage bill is £131k 2) Gavin's daughters are paid out his own pocket and not by the club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoodedClaw Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Walking down the Halbeath Road to visit Tesco's for my messages. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith Against The Machine Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 1) Monthly wage bill is £131k Either it's a hell of a coincidence, or someone has just pulled that figure straight from the accounts to year end 31/05/2011. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdypar Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I thought £95k was more likely. It was difficult to hear everything that was said on Thursday so I could be wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith Against The Machine Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 It's not much to go on without context, but just while I'm having a wee look at the accounts, for the same year, directors took £47,000 out of the club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith Against The Machine Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 In the interests of fairness, I was going to compare and contrast with the Rovers for the same year, but there's different information available. For example, there's no details on wages, salaries or number of employees for the Rovers, but there is a list of shareholders, which there isn't for any of the Pars-related companies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordieBoy80 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Dunfermline Athletic - finding new ways to cheat and get away with it -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Dunfermline Athletic - finding new ways to cheat and get away with it I admire the clubs resourcefulness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantoms-livi-lass Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I was referring to the Pars Trust being in debt to the tune of £59k. On your other point about directors' remuneration, what you are saying is that Karen Masterton and Tracey Martin pitched in with their £50k and that they are not being paid, My bet is that no they didn't and yes they are. Ah that's the confusing part I thought you meant the supporter's Trust not the club's Trust, so they have four "companies" operating within the club, this is the part I don't understand why have all these different companies? Where the feck is AND180Y now with his business knowledge eh? Anyway what do you mean by Trusts around the country being in negative territory? Do you mean supporter's trusts? I'm not saying anything about Karen or Tracey's finances at all, I was just letting you know that not all directors of companies take a wage & some pay for the privilege of a seat on the board in order to have a say in the way the business is run. I haven't a clue who they are or what they do as directors & that doesn't interest me. Why have you got a bee in your bonnet about those two specifically out of all the directors at DAFC? Got some gossip? The Pars Trust is the registered charity of the club, the Supporters Trust is... well exactly that. The two are not linked Does the charity have a directors board too? There must be one hell of a lot of suits on a matchday, I wonder if they get complimentary tickets for the game? That would cost a few bob. I'm not convinced by either of them tbh I need more information on the supporters trust and yes it's the club one that's in debt (if that post's true, and it probably is). I wouldn't trust the club with any money at all, not even chocolate coins. How could you doubt the trust after all my rabbiting on about them? All supporters trusts follow the same guidelines & are run by fans who volunteer their time & effort (& the vast majority of their spare time for most of us) there is no hierarchy, all members are equal including the board members (who do not get any special privileges, far from it) who are nominated to represent the members and voice their concerns to the BoD if required, help the club strengthen its links in the community, fundraising etc. I've heard the excuse being thrown about before that "The board members are in it for themselves, yes-men to the board, unapproachable etc" if you feel like that then you can join the board I have heard of people claiming that there are cliques on some boards that is wrong and a good board should have a mix of people from different backgrounds etc in order to represent the members. Get off your ass & join your trust, then you can go on the board & make a difference for the members, allow them to finally realise that their voices & concerns will be heard by the club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordieBoy80 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 How could you doubt the trust after all my rabbiting on about them? All supporters trusts follow the same guidelines & are run by fans who volunteer their time & effort (& the vast majority of their spare time for most of us) there is no hierarchy, all members are equal including the board members (who do not get any special privileges, far from it) who are nominated to represent the members and voice their concerns to the BoD if required, help the club strengthen its links in the community, fundraising etc. I've heard the excuse being thrown about before that "The board members are in it for themselves, yes-men to the board, unapproachable etc" if you feel like that then you can join the board I have heard of people claiming that there are cliques on some boards that is wrong and a good board should have a mix of people from different backgrounds etc in order to represent the members. Get off your ass & join your trust, then you can go on the board & make a difference for the members, allow them to finally realise that their voices & concerns will be heard by the club. I've nothing against trusts per se and admire the work they do. I'm just not convinced by our one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoversMad Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Not quoting that monster from PLL but I have more or less the same questions re Dunfermlines complex management structure, & agree 100% re trust membership, I need to renew my own as I think it's lapsed but as far as I'm aware any money raised and donated to the club has to be spent where the trust says, ie youth development programme or training gear for u16's for example, so the cash isn't just disappearing into the black hole of debt, Ok the cynical amongst us may say "if we donate £5k to youth development that's £5k less the board will give them" but at least you know the money you helped raise is going to be spent in the areas of the club you as trust members wish & vote for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith Against The Machine Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I'll say one thing... if you'd like to waste several hours and be utterly fucking confused then try to understand the ownership structures of Raith Rovers and its various companies. If you think that having a separate company to run your youth set-up and commercial income is complicated, try to organise the following: Raith Rovers Football Club Limited Stark's Park Ltd Raith Rovers FC Holdings Limited Stark's Park Properties Ltd New Raith Rovers Limited NRR Investments Limited 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan y k Dall Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 From the PST meeting on Thursday I can confirm two things. 1) Monthly wage bill is £131k 2) Gavin's daughters are paid out his own pocket and not by the club. Bloody hell, that's some wage bill. I worked at the rovers a while back and the wage bill was 25k pm. Ok, allowing for inflation and the cost of living rising, it'd be more these days but 131k? Jeezy peeps! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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