da_no_1 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Enigma obviously believes Meggle is running around our training ground dishing out 2-footed tackles to anyone in the vicinity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, par-adise said: Sounds like you're speculating about whether there are undelying factors which aren't helping I’m not going into specific, sure, but there comes a point where it surely can’t just be bad luck? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par-adise Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Murray in the courier saying Ashcroft went to Raith despite us offering him more money. I have no reason to doubt that we have offered more money and it makes perfect sense why Raith would be more attractive for him for a few months loan right now. However that doesn't make any sense to me as to my understanding of how loans work, i.e. I thought money only changed hands between the clubs. So Ashcroft would still be paid by Dundee then Raith would pay an agreed contribution of his wages or fee to Dundee. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Toun Clock Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 44 minutes ago, Wacky said: To be fair we created plenty chances last Saturday, if we can find the net a bit more then a nation wide tv hammering might not happen. My heart is overruling my head though Was away on a stag do last week so wasn't there. Glad to hear we created more chances, but it was against Arbroath... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, da_no_1 said: Enigma obviously believes Meggle is running around our training ground dishing out 2-footed tackles to anyone in the vicinity. "The Jack Hamilton plan. We're familiar with this..." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par-adise Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, Enigma said: I’m not going into specific, sure, but there comes a point where it surely can’t just be bad luck? So you are speculating about whether there are undelying factors which aren't helping. Glad we cleared that up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, par-adise said: However that doesn't make any sense to me as to my understanding of how loans work, i.e. I thought money only changed hands between the clubs. It’s not football manager. Played get bonuses etc. I heard your boy Kane gets £5K if you stay up for example. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Just now, par-adise said: So you are speculating about whether there are undelying factors which aren't helping. Glad we cleared that up. Well, why not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I guess we could have offered various bonuses that Raith won't have (playing bonus, goal bonus, keep us in the division bonus), but it sounds more like Murray trying to stir things up than anything of any note. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par-adise Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Just now, Enigma said: Well, why not? You're more than welcome to, it's just that you said you weren't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par-adise Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: I guess we could have offered various bonuses that Raith won't have (playing bonus, goal bonus, keep us in the division bonus), but it sounds more like Murray trying to stir things up than anything of any note. Yep probably. I doubt either club were offering to cover his wages in full or that any difference would have been life changing for him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Home Truths Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Surely the clubs medical acumen has moved on from using leeches and trepanning players heids? Surely? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 6 minutes ago, Home Truths said: Surely the clubs medical acumen has moved on from using leeches and trepanning players heids? Surely? Last time I visited the KDM it appeared a few of your fans in the North West Stand had been lobotomised so you never know… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da_no_1 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) I heard Ashcroft got an "incentive" to sign for Raith - both clubs had matched Dundees loan terms. Obviously Enigma will know better as he seems to spend more time worrying about us than anything else Edited February 23 by da_no_1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 It's very simple why Ashcroft signed for Raith at this time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North West Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 30 minutes ago, Enigma said: It’s not football manager. Played get bonuses etc. I heard your boy Kane gets £5K if you stay up for example. Reekin o pish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 14 minutes ago, da_no_1 said: I heard Ashcroft got an "incentive" to sign for Raith - both clubs had matched Dundees loan terms. Obviously Enigma will know better as he seems to spend more time worrying about us than anything else We got our league winners medals last Friday according to Dundee United so it's a bit of a surprise. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuldReekie Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Even if we offered an extra 10K for staying up, his earning potential is enhanced by being in a promotion battle, especially if he helps Raith to promotion. A financial decision isn't just down to the money he would earn in the next 6 months. Would have been career self-harm coming to us instead of Raith. That's just the harsh reality of the relative league positions. They're peaking (hopefully) and we're bottoming out (hopefully) - the timing couldn't have been worse for trying to get him. We just have to dust ourselves down and get on with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Toun Clock Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Didn't realise how busy the next three weeks are for the club with six games between tonight and 15/3. Thistle away tonight, Inverness away on Tuesday, Ayr at home a week tomorrow, Airdrie at home on the following Tuesday, away to Raith on the Saturday then the live Friday night game against Dundee Utd. Games coming thick and fast with no free weekends from now until the end of the season. Let's hope for an injury free remainder of the season, never know we might actually get to play our favoured 11 once. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 On 21/02/2024 at 16:02, parsforlife said: You watched Benjamin and Fagan-Walcott get destroyed and your thoughts are ‘yes definitely nothing wrong with dunfermline’s recruitment here?’ Where are you getting the part about us having one of the largest squads in the division from? It doesn’t feel right when we are mostly only listing 2/3 first team subs, we do have quite a few injuries so I guess it is possible but even so the claim of the dismissal of not providing cover doesn’t add up when the extent of these injuries where mostly known before the window opened, failure to bring in cover is still a valid criticism. Opposition fans seem to criticise mcpakes recruitment more than our own fans and I guess that’s due to an assumption we operate in the traditional manner of ‘your budget is x, you go sign some players’ we don’t recruit like that meagle is heavily involved, signings are mostly aimed to fit his model where the first priority is will we be able to improve them and get a transfer fee in future and mcpake doesn’t do any negotiations once targets have been identified. that doesn’t let mcpake off the hook cos he is part of the recruitment team, but it maybe why pars fans are less critical of him in that. His only start was when we played a weakened 11 in the challenge cup. His sub appearances have all been late in games when we don’t have any senior options left. Benjamin and Fagan-Walcott are certainly terrible yes, but again that's not indicative of a board failing to provide backing for the first team, simply the money which is provided being spent terribly. There are clubs in this division who don't sign English loanees because they can't afford to put them up in digs, so whatever the reasons for this failure of recruitment it isn't financial. How much of the recruitment ultimately being shite is the board's fault for involvement of backroom staff in recruitment compared to McPake I have no idea. On the biggest squad, yeah it's been enforced by the injuries, but I would put Dunfermline's first team squad now at 24 with the addition of Welch-Hayes since I made that post, going by the previous standard of not include the likes of the Sutherlands, Tod or Fenton: Mehmet, Little (2nd choice keepers count), Comrie, Edwards, Benedictus, Otoo, Brent, Fisher, Benjamin, Fagan-Walcott, Welch-Hayes, Hamilton, Ritchie-Hosler, Chalmers, Todd, Summers, Allan, Wighton, McCann, Moffat, O'Halloran, Jakubiak, Kane, Holmes Going by the same standard of not including teenagers who've only made a few league appearances at other clubs, so for example Corr and Masson at Raith wouldn't count, that gives Dunfermline a bigger first team squad than everyone other than Queen's Park and Arbroath. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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