O'Kelly Isley III Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Nowhereman said: They might but even if they were what influence would they have Potentially quite a bit. With Gilbert's passing Brabco have no-one 'on the ground' attending to their affairs, with consequent logistical issues, and should the club Directors grow some and start to ask some direct questions things could get interesting. I would presume that as part of the reputed consultation exercise Brabco and their Planning Consultants will be embarking on a PR charm offensive aimed at local politicians and officials. We football folk subjecting their plans, and equally important their intentions for the future of DFC, to the rigour they absolutely merit could be extremely important in influencing the decision-makers. Nodding thro a proposal deemed to be hostile by the local community is hardly clever politics. For the record I'm not trying to paint Brabco into a corner, their track record thus far and IMO wholly unrealistic business plan can achieve that comfortably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry Fields Forever Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 It's all kicking off..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/b58822ce-8cdf-4b60-bb01-1302881a6036?intc_type=promo&intc_location=sport&intc_campaign=fanpower&intc_linkname=bbcthree_fac_article1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleslie99 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 So if Blackpool fans threw tangerines onto the pitch does that mean we can throw our sons.................... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlin' Wilf Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 1 hour ago, pleslie99 said: So if Blackpool fans threw tangerines onto the pitch does that mean we can throw our sons.................... Surely rocks would be more effective? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 4 days since the Record article and still the club have said nothing. Nada. f**k all. No doubt we will hear from the Trust long before we hear anything from the club themselves, if we ever do.It shouldn't be the Trust's job to keep us in the loop when it comes to stuff like this. The very least I'd expect is a wee article on the OS letting us know what's going on or that they can't release any details at the minute. Even a wee 5 sentences of cliche'd shite is better than nothing.Down with this sort of thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said: 4 days since the Record article and still the club have said nothing. Nada. f**k all. No doubt we will hear from the Trust long before we hear anything from the club themselves, if we ever do. It shouldn't be the Trust's job to keep us in the loop when it comes to stuff like this. The very least I'd expect is a wee article on the OS letting us know what's going on or that they can't release any details at the minute. Even a wee 5 sentences of cliche'd shite is better than nothing. Down with this sort of thing. To be fair to the club, I'd imagine this press release was handled by the Brabco camp and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if no-one at DFC had prior notice. To recap, we have a Board of Directors who dutifully attend to the football club, and we have Brabco, a specialist removals organisation committed to relocating said football club for fiduciary gain. Let us not conflate the two into a coordinated working entity. However, if a public consultation is announced I won't be at all surprised if Brabco again try to slough the face-to-face bit onto the local DFC Directors. If I were the latter I think I'd resist that strongly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 To be fair to the club, I'd imagine this press release was handled by the Brabco camp and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if no-one at DFC had prior notice. To recap, we have a Board of Directors who dutifully attend to the football club, and we have Brabco, a specialist removals organisation committed to relocating said football club for fiduciary gain. Let us not conflate the two into a coordinated working entity. However, if a public consultation is announced I won't be at all surprised if Brabco again try to slough the face-to-face bit onto the local DFC Directors. If I were the latter I think I'd resist that strongly. No doubt about it, but the club have a duty to keep their paying supporters informed. The silence coming from them is deafening. Like I said, even some sort of shite about acknowledging the article and that details will be released in due course would suffice. For it to simply be ignored doesn't sit right with me in all honesty, even if Brabco are peddling all the press shite and masquerading as a 'DFC Spokesman'.If Alan Jardine is sitting down there completely clueless and unable to make a brief statement on the website about it then we're even more fucked than I thought. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Sonstrust members should have received an email outlining their stance on the proposed stadium move.According to the email they have put out their own press release today. Good stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 12 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said: Sonstrust members should have received an email outlining their stance on the proposed stadium move. According to the email they have put out their own press release today. Good stuff. Link to the press release for non-members/nosey people http://sonstrust.net/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverton End Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Front page of Dumbarton & V.O.L Reporter newspaper today - "Plan for homes to fund new stadium" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Front page of Dumbarton & V.O.L Reporter newspaper today - "Plan for homes to fund new stadium" Any chance you could fire up some pics of the Reporter article? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jan Vojáček Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Few things to get tor into there, but I don't really have the time at the moment. In order to fund this "win win, no risk Championship survival ensuring move" we will need 200 houses, a gym, astro pitches, a hotel, conferencing suites, a restaurant and some offices. Forgive me if I just don't buy into this plan - but that seems like an awful lot of investment that could, and probably would, backfire on the club "It is very difficult to see how we can keep the club at the highest level if we do not have a new stadium". So having circa 1000 people kicking about a 4000 capacity stadium instead of 1000 kicking about a 2000 capacity stadium is the difference between us staying up or going down. I'd imagine a better right-back and natural goalscorer might play a bigger role than that, but what do I know about business? Who is this Ian Wilson anyway? Can't say his name means anything to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 "We are the only part-time club in the Championship"The above statement simply proves that these guys are so fuckin out of touch with the football side of things at the club.Ian Wilson, eat ma shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 12 minutes ago, Sonsteam of 08 said: Few things to get tor into there, but I don't really have the time at the moment. In order to fund this "win win, no risk Championship survival ensuring move" we will need 200 houses, a gym, astro pitches, a hotel, conferencing suites, a restaurant and some offices. Forgive me if I just don't buy into this plan - but that seems like an awful lot of investment that could, and probably would, backfire on the club "It is very difficult to see how we can keep the club at the highest level if we do not have a new stadium". So having circa 1000 people kicking about a 4000 capacity stadium instead of 1000 kicking about a 2000 capacity stadium is the difference between us staying up or going down. I'd imagine a better right-back and natural goalscorer might play a bigger role than that, but what do I know about business? Who is this Ian Wilson anyway? Can't say his name means anything to me. Playing devils advocate for a moment, there are a couple of things to pick up on. Right now Dumbarton have a home support of about 650 on a good day. Most of those are season ticket holders. If the club can secure revenue from non-matchday sources then thats undoubtedly a major boost to the finances. As landlords renting facilities to businesses, we could foreseeably make some decent money. But that is me playing devils advocate. Thats clearly best case scenario. Worst case? We're left with unused facilities that we've invested money in building but that we can't rent out on a commercial basis. Do we have the skills at the club to effectively become commercial property landlords and to get the best deal possible from anybody who wishes to rent our facilities? Those are the kind of things that we'll need to scrutinise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 1 minute ago, BallochSonsFan said: Playing devils advocate for a moment, there are a couple of things to pick up on. Right now Dumbarton have a home support of about 650 on a good day. Most of those are season ticket holders. If the club can secure revenue from non-matchday sources then thats undoubtedly a major boost to the finances. As landlords renting facilities to businesses, we could foreseeably make some decent money. But that is me playing devils advocate. Thats clearly best case scenario. Worst case? We're left with unused facilities that we've invested money in building but that we can't rent out on a commercial basis. Do we have the skills at the club to effectively become commercial property landlords and to get the best deal possible from anybody who wishes to rent our facilities? Those are the kind of things that we'll need to scrutinise. Potentially we could, but would we be the landlords? Eg perhaps we would make money from renting out the pitches, but Brabco/Wilson would make the money from renting out all the non football related facilities. Put yourself in Brabco's shoes, would you invest the money you're making from renting out these facilities to a football club you, ultimately, only find yourself involved in because of the land where their stadium is built. I'm not sure I would to be brutally honest. So many questions. On the other side I found Wilson on Linkedin: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/ian-wilson-82950312 Can't say I've ever heard of eGo, but I did find this interesting "Main Board Director of a Scottish Championship Football Club. DFC have been promoted twice since the new owners took control in 2008 and have ambitions to play in the Scottish Premier League and to build a new stadium suitable for The Sons of the Rock to display their skills to a bigger fan base" Premier League... Bigger fanbase.... "skills".... I'm going to hazard a guess he knows little about Scottish lower league football...or even football in general. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 You're right Sonsteam08 when you say that there are so many questions. Thats why it's vital that fans go to the consultation in November. Why not have a chat to a trust board member on Saturday? Raise your concerns. Discuss how you feel about the proposals. Whatever happens with the stadium development, whether fans are for it or against it, we need to be having the conversation and asking the questions. That could be grabbing Simon, Alan or one of the other trust board members on match day. It could be getting along to the club for the public consultation. It could be submitting concerns by email to the club or the trust if folk can't get the chance to do so on matchday. It'll also involve chatting about it here on PnB. We need to be vocal about this and we need to ask the important questions because we can't afford to sleepwalk towards whatever outcome Brabco eventually deliver. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Very interesting to see the dichotomy between the 'apple pie and ice cream' tone of the Brabco Press Release and that of Simon's on behalf of the Sonstrust - very much a bracing bucket of cold water that one. But he is absolutely right; from the original vision presented at The Abbotsford we have now moved on to Plan B, not because housing is now regarded as the better option but because the original option was demonstrably flawed. Logic would suggest that if your first idea was a bummer then you are now into choppier waters with your second, or you are even entering last-chance saloon. There is so little detail in that Press Release that to paraphrase Theresa May, 'Relocation Means Relocation'. And someone has obviously been scraping the buzzphrase barrel - when I see phrase like 'numerous benefits to social groups' unaccompanied by any reference to a cogent and costed business plan then I'm somewhat sceptical. As I think the whole local community should be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Scepticism is an entirely reasonable approach to the relocation plans OK3. The devil will always be in the detail with this and we need to make sure that we have the chance to scrutinise that detail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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