Sergeant Wilson Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Just now, EdgarusQPFC said: That was to end a war. Was it? I'd always wondered about that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarusQPFC Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Was it? I'd always wondered about that. Plenty have said that if the Atom Bombs weren't used the war could have lasted to the new year at the risk of millions of lives. The US used the bomb to end a war, NK want one to begin a war 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Just now, EdgarusQPFC said: Plenty have said that if the Atom Bombs weren't used the war could have lasted to the new year at the risk of millions of lives. The US used the bomb to end a war, NK want one to begin a war You learn something every day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 The neverending cycle of strong words and threats from both sides is moronic and someone needs to decide to be the adult. When the two possibilities are Trump and Kim, this seems unlikely so China should be taking the lead. Discussions should be centred around sanctions relief in return for transparency and checks on NK's nuclear program. It worked with Iran (in theory so far) who have been public enemy number 1 for decades. A new US administration should at least try this approach before reverting to plan A. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Plenty have said that if the Atom Bombs weren't used the war could have lasted to the new year at the risk of millions of lives. The US used the bomb to end a war, NK want one to begin a war I'm not sure about the second one. Anyway, if I lived in the Far East I'd be far more worried by a nuclear armed neighbour that works on slave labour and a personality cult than a democracy run by a reality TV star shyster. Maybe I put that wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarusQPFC Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: You learn something every day. To my knowledge the quick end to the war is said to have helped towards ending the Famine in Vietnam, not completely of course but it certainly helped as millions had died and possibly up to 2 million more could have if things continued as they did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Dropping the nuclear bomb on an uninhabited Japanese island probably would have done the trick tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Just now, EdgarusQPFC said: To my knowledge the quick end to the war is said to have helped towards ending the Famine in Vietnam, not completely of course but it certainly helped as millions had died and possibly up to 2 million more could have if things continued as they did. Who was it that was in that war again? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarusQPFC Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Who was it that was in that war again? Japan was occupying vietnam towards the final months of WW2 and if i remember correctly they basically took over from the french and were taking almost all food production from the country to feed their troops 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Who was it that was in that war again? Everyone you fool, it was a World War, even if nobody told them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 27 minutes ago, EdgarusQPFC said: How many Missiles have the US fired close to nations under the guise of innocent missile tests? How many nations have the US threatened with Nuclear war? You're confusing threats of aggression with acts of aggression. FWIW I think NK is a fairly unstable regime but I think their whole stance has been as a result of the isolationism that has come about by being targeted by the US, and hence, the rest of the West for decades. Their paranoia is, therefore, understandable though unfortunate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarusQPFC Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Zetterlund said: Dropping the nuclear bomb on an uninhabited Japanese island probably would have done the trick tbh. To be honest you are probably right, there are many who agree that a simple demonstration would have been sufficient. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Just now, welshbairn said: Everyone you fool, it was a World War, even if nobody told them. Oh the big one, with the wee guy with the moustache? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: You're confusing threats of aggression with acts of aggression. FWIW I think NK is a fairly unstable regime but I think their whole stance has been as a result of the isolationism that has come about by being targeted by the US, and hence, the rest of the West for decades. Their paranoia is, therefore, understandable though unfortunate. Celtic really are a world brand... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmeister Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Plenty have said that if the Atom Bombs weren't used the war could have lasted to the new year at the risk of millions of lives. The US used the bomb to end a war, NK want one to begin a war By the time the US dropped the two atom bombs they had cracked the Japanese coding system and the end of the war would have been not long afterwards.The bombs were dropped at the behest of the Generals and Scientists who wanted to make a Statement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 By the time the US dropped the two atom bombs they had cracked the Japanese coding system and the end of the war would have been not long afterwards.The bombs were dropped at the behest of the Generals and Scientists who wanted to make a Statement. And a president who wanted to send a message to Moscow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 42 minutes ago, EdgarusQPFC said: Japan was occupying vietnam towards the final months of WW2 and if i remember correctly they basically took over from the french and were taking almost all food production from the country to feed their troops The CIA or whatever they were called then encouraged Ho Chi Minh to feed them intelligence and take orders while he was fighting the Japanese, in return for stopping the return of the French after the War. That went well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Fairly unstable is an understatement. Didn't Kim execute a load of his government with an anti-aircraft gun like some Bond villain? One was his uncle and another was killed for sleeping? Keeping that within NK is one thing but there is no level of whataboutery that justifies this guy being allowed to have nukes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 30 minutes ago, Cerberus said: and another was killed for sleeping? f**k that, I love a nice afternoon nap. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Kmeister said: By the time the US dropped the two atom bombs they had cracked the Japanese coding system and the end of the war would have been not long afterwards. The bombs were dropped at the behest of the Generals and Scientists who wanted to make a Statement. I think that's partly true but they broke most of the codes before Midway. Okinawa was the deciding factor. Plus Russia taking and keeping Japanese islands the US had to stop it quickly with less US casualties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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