Saor Alba Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Yep. No different to certain football matches not being allowed early kick-offs etc.. Quite why folk can't see this is beyond me. What football matches kick off at 9am in the morning and don't finish until evening? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saor Alba Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Whoosh. Not all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saor Alba Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 That is a very good point but, in previous years,the followers were not allowed past this area, just two lodges and a band, which wasn't allowed to play as it passed. And did they abide by those conditions in full? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 My mistake then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 And did they abide by those conditions in full? As far as I know, yes, they were. It was all very heavily policed and I follow these things online through BBC NI news out of an interest in the area I used to live, not because I am a supporter of the OO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 AFJ would be way more clued up on the details than me, but it all revolves around walking in from Unionist areas on the edge of the city to the city centre in the morning to join up with the main Belfast area parade and then back again in the early evening once that's over and done with. Most of the route is non-controversial and through predominantly Unionist areas, but North Belfast has a complex patchwork sort of geography when it comes to who lives where, so at one point they wind up going past rather than through a hardline Republican area. The Crumlin Road is one of the main arterial routes in that regard, so the argument on the Unionist side is that it's a shared space, while obviously the resident groups from the Ardoyne put a very different spin on things. The ruling from the Parades Commission this year was that the morning was OK, but the evening wasn't, which seems a bit bizarre to me. I think you're missing the point a tad. I just don't see why this is necessary. In Glasgow they seem to do this traditional route stuff, but in Lanarkshire they seem to manage to move 'the big walk' from town to town every year and no-one complains apart from a large proportion of the residents of whichever town it is inflicted upon. I don't see why they can't just commemorate the Glorious Revolution somewhere where they don't disturb the peace or antagonise people at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I think you're missing the point a tad. I just don't see why this is necessary. In Glasgow they seem to do this traditional route stuff, but in Lanarkshire they seem to manage to move 'the big walk' from town to town every year and no-one complains apart from a large proportion of the residents of whichever town it is inflicted upon. I don't see why they can't just commemorate the Glorious Revolution somewhere where they don't disturb the peace or antagonise people at all. The parades outside Belfast do move from town to town on a yearly basis. I agree, there should be minimum disruption, but as LTL pointed out, North Belfast is extremely fractious, and it is nigh on impossible to go from one area to another without passing through "enemy" territory, no matter what side you are on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Orton Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 The parades outside Belfast do move from town to town on a yearly basis. I agree, there should be minimum disruption, but as LTL pointed out, North Belfast is extremely fractious, and it is nigh on impossible to go from one area to another without passing through "enemy" territory, no matter what side you are on. Build a tunnel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 .................to the cricket club. Will take you a little walk and show you the hotly disputed section of road in a few weeks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) I think you're missing the point a tad. I just don't see why this is necessary. In Glasgow they seem to do this traditional route stuff, but in Lanarkshire they seem to manage to move 'the big walk' from town to town every year and no-one complains apart from a large proportion of the residents of whichever town it is inflicted upon. I don't see why they can't just commemorate the Glorious Revolution somewhere where they don't disturb the peace or antagonise people at all. When St Patrick's Day is commemorated in Belfast the city centre tends to be the main focal point rather than a field out in the middle of nowhere. Don't think there is anything hugely out of the ordinary in the LOL doing that as well. Edited July 16, 2013 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saor Alba Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 When St Patrick's Day is commemorated in Belfast the city centre tends to be the main focal point rather than a field out in the middle of nowhere. Don't think there is anything hugely out of the ordinary in the LOL doing that as well. Would you be happy for those bands and their followers to march along your street too? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Why are you asking me that? I am not in the Orange Order and I don't live in Belfast. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saor Alba Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Why are you asking me that? I am not in the Orange Order and I don't live in Belfast. It's just a question. Why are you afraid to answer it? Yes or No. It isn't difficult, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I don't give a shit who holds a parade along my street. Easy enough to just ignore something like that if you don't want to participate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saor Alba Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I don't give a shit who holds a parade along my street. Easy enough to just ignore something like that if you don't want to participate. You seem a bit upset at the thought of it really happening. Why is that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 You are trying to make me fit some stereotype you have. There is no way you can tell my mood over the internet based on a phrase like that. I am doing something long, boring and monotonous that doesn't require my full attention and am using the internet for light relief at the moment. I'm bored rather than upset. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saor Alba Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I'm bored rather than upset. Ok. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain kirk Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I don't give a shit who holds a parade along my street. Easy enough to just ignore something like that if you don't want to participate. So kkk. Parade along your street is cool? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I've actually experienced something not completely dissimilar to that when working in Asia. Far right nutters who didn't like foreigners used to hold regular parades around the city where I lived. Easy enough to ignore, in my experience. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 I still don't understand why so many marches are needed, why don't they just have one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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