Latest Polls and Latest Odds

[ICTChris]

2 hours ago, Boo Khaki said:

 

Anyway, I see that more as a parent giving an irresponsible teenager a clip around the ear.

This is now illegal, following laws passed by the Scottish Government.

[ICTChris]

If the SNP do lose the majorit of their seats, I had thought there would be loads of meltdowns on here.  I think it's more likely we'll see an outbreak of extraordinary passive aggressiveness, people likening Scottish voters to "battered wives", which used to be quite common among some oddballs.

 

[Boo Khaki]

41 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

This is now illegal, following laws passed by the Scottish Government.

Load of Authoritarian shite, Nanny State, etc etc

[JS_FFC]

29 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

If the SNP do lose the majorit of their seats, I had thought there would be loads of meltdowns on here.  I think it's more likely we'll see an outbreak of extraordinary passive aggressiveness, people likening Scottish voters to "battered wives", which used to be quite common among some oddballs.

 

Usually when a governing party has been performing poorly and is taking their voters for granted they get a bit of a bloody nose first and the electorate puts them on notice to get it sorted. Only after that if they fail to do so, then they capitulate. SLab had their bloody nose in 2007 and failed to sort themselves out and it’s been nearly two decades of downhill since.

 

For me this is the SNP’s bloody nose. Whatever you think of Labour and the alternatives it’s difficult to argue that the SNP have become stale and it’s time to give them that warning. And only after that will Swinney know he’s got just under two years to get it sorted before the main event.

 

However I still think the polls are wrong and the SNP will get 30 seats.

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, ICTChris said:

If the SNP do lose the majorit of their seats, I had thought there would be loads of meltdowns on here.  I think it's more likely we'll see an outbreak of extraordinary passive aggressiveness, people likening Scottish voters to "battered wives", which used to be quite common among some oddballs.

 

Doesn’t really matter.  If the people of Scotland think that the answer to the last 14 years of Tory misrule is Sir Keith and his merry band then so be it.

 

[JS_FFC]

Maybe some 3rd derivative hopium copium for the Tories here that they’re starting to squeeze reform

 

 

[The DA]

On 29/05/2024 at 12:22, Rosey1889 said:

Like voting for SNP again.

We are significantly better off under the SNP than Wales are under Labour or the UK under the Tories. 

[JS_FFC]

 

Savanta showing no change 

[JS_FFC]

The SNP are however ahead of Labour in the Holyrood poll 

[BFTD]

Apparently roughly 20% of Scotland will vote Conservative regardless of how dreadful they are.

The Lib Dems are right there, people - absolutely crying out to be loved! Maybe they smile too much?

[thisal]

14 minutes ago, BFTD said:

Apparently roughly 20% of Scotland will vote Conservative regardless of how dreadful they are.

The Lib Dems are right there, people - absolutely crying out to be loved! Maybe they smile too much?

If I was a Lib Dem I'd be happy. Labour are going to implement their policies for them and they won't have to take the blame for any cock ups this time

[Freedom Farter]

On 29/05/2024 at 14:09, Boo Khaki said:

I accept a lot of the gripes about the SNP enforcing "nanny State" on folk, but I also think there comes a point when an irresponsible populace needs it's arse kicked and the matter taken out of their own hands.

Of all the shite right wing phrases, "nanny state" is the shitest. By their own definition, the NHS is nanny state healthcare. Also the use of "authoritarian" as an epithet has been imported from US politics.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

5 hours ago, BFTD said:

Apparently roughly 20% of Scotland will vote Conservative regardless of how dreadful they are.

The Lib Dems are right there, people - absolutely crying out to be loved! Maybe they smile too much?

I think that percentage can be reasonably explained by the number of English-born voters who are now in the Scottish electorate, with many in the older age demographic.

Whilst we're not producing too many Tories or royalists up here these days, there's been an ample supply of Terry and Junes moving northwards to get attractive housing bangs for their bucks.

Edited May 31 by O'Kelly Isley III

[Turkmenbashi]

41 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

I think that percentage can be reasonably explained by the number of English-born voters who are now in the Scottish electorate, with many in the older age demographic.

Whilst we're not producing too many Tories or royalists up here these days, there's been an ample supply of Terry and Junes moving northwards to get attractive housing bangs for their bucks.

Sadly I think you are in denial. Plenty of our own local tories. And plenty of the English born are absolutely not tories.

[Freedom Farter]

40 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

I think that percentage can be reasonably explained by the number of English-born voters who are now in the Scottish electorate, with many in the older age demographic.

Whilst we're not producing too many Tories or royalists up here these days, there's been an ample supply of Terry and Junes moving northwards to get attractive housing bangs for their bucks.

Some folk who vote Tory do so because they're from the minority in society who the party is actually for, the ownership class.

Most folk who vote Tory, though, do so because they mistakenly believe their material interests align with that ownership class. Scots are as susceptible to this error as any other group.

[KirkieRR]

6 minutes ago, Turkmenbashi said:

Sadly I think you are in denial. Plenty of our own local tories. And plenty of the English born are absolutely not tories.

Agreed. Most English-born folk I know here are pro-Indy. And blaming the olds is lazy, unevidenced, the sort of thing you get from people who use 'boomer' as if it means something.

And I speak as an Old who has never voted Tory and would never countenance doing so.

Edited May 31 by KirkieRR

[Freedom Farter]

1 minute ago, KirkieRR said:

And blaming the olds is lazy, unevidenced, the sort of young you get from people who use 'boomer' as if it means something.

If "boomer" is just being used to mean "old" then that's useless analysis. However, there is a genuine point to the unique voting patterns of the baby boomer generation in UK and USA. They benefited from the keynesianism of the New Deal era (US) or post-war consensus (Europe) but ushered in Regan's and Thatcher's neoliberalism, the fruits of which they enjoyed for themselves as a one-off, generational reward. We're obviously talking in general terms here, plenty baby boomer generation individuals who didn't vote that way and have been as harmed by the effects as anyone else.

It's also worth considering how the "boomer" or "old voters" paradigm vastly changes with geography. In the recent Georgia protests, I listened to an interview with a Gen Z protester suggesting older Georgians didn't know what democracy was so weren't out protesting. Frustrating ignorance from him. The reason older Georgians are more sceptical is because they lived through the dramatic fall in living standards Georgia experienced in the 1990s so grew wary of the potential pitfalls to radical political upheaval. 

[O'Kelly Isley III]

43 minutes ago, Turkmenbashi said:

Sadly I think you are in denial. Plenty of our own local tories. And plenty of the English born are absolutely not tories.

I'm not in any denial, and to yourself and the others (perfectly reasonably) criticising my original post I would say take a look at the electoral map of Scotland and tell me there is no correlation.

[Turkmenbashi]

31 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

I'm not in any denial, and to yourself and the others (perfectly reasonably) criticising my original post I would say take a look at the electoral map of Scotland and tell me there is no correlation.

There is no correlation 

[Granny Danger]

2 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

I think that percentage can be reasonably explained by the number of English-born voters who are now in the Scottish electorate, with many in the older age demographic.

Whilst we're not producing too many Tories or royalists up here these days, there's been an ample supply of Terry and Junes moving northwards to get attractive housing bangs for their bucks.

Do you have any data to support that assertion?