Sooky Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I assume that guy was on the plane? Looking at the comments underneath, I believe so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Russian's can pretty much get away with anything. time to act was when they first started getting wide. Too late now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Is there any evidence this was actually the pro-Russian rebels beyond the Ukrainian Government saying so? They're hardly an impartial source. It's obviously a possibility, but I'd wait for some kind of independent confirmation on this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Is there any evidence this was actually the pro-Russian rebels beyond the Ukrainian Government saying so? They're hardly an impartial source. It's obviously a possibility, but I'd wait for some kind of independent confirmation on this. Was deffo Russian/Pro Russian separatists. 100% guaranteed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 It will be Ukrainian separatists with Russian missiles. Will certainly be interesting to watch the wests reaction over the next few weeks...How much longer are we going to appease Putin for? What do you suggest "we" do exactly? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=465419050262262&set=a.121009184703252.21333.100003825135026&type=1 Apparently the translation is "if it goes missing this is what it looks like" Looks nothing like that now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 What do you suggest "we" do exactly? Immediate carpet bombing of Moscow, followed by a massive ground invasion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Bomb ra lot of them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie S Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) A lot will depend on where the Flight Data Recorder, CVR (cockpit voice recorder) and salient parts of the wreckage end up. If they are in rebel hands and get shipped back to Moscow we can probably look forward to years of obfuscation and misinformation a la KAL 007, the Litvinenko affair etc. Edited July 17, 2014 by Frankie S 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Is there any evidence this was actually the pro-Russian rebels beyond the Ukrainian Government saying so? They're hardly an impartial source. It's obviously a possibility, but I'd wait for some kind of independent confirmation on this. Whoever RT says it was, that's who it wasn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Immediate carpet bombing of Moscow, followed by a massive ground invasion. Better use Allied Carpets I suppose then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Whoever RT says it was, that's who it wasn't. True,, it was pro western gay loving Nazi Ukrainians. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 A lot will depend on where the Flight Data Recorder, CVR (cockpit voice recorder) and salient parts of the wreckage end up. If they are in rebel hands and get shipped back to Moscow we can probably look forward to years of obfuscation and misinformation a la KAL 007, the Litvinenko affair etc. The Russians are claiming they already have the blackbox. Regardless of who's got it, I can't imagine it'll have the voice of the captain saying who he thinks fired the missile. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Raccoon Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Was there a Mayday ? Yes. 31 to be precise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 What do you suggest "we" do exactly? Sanctions certainly aren't doing anything. First it was South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia, then it was The Crimea and now they're arming pro Russian separatists in Donetsk. So far the West has done the square root of zero about any of this. Putin will keep pushing his luck until he's stopped. The West can either continue to let him encroach west into sovereign countries or they can stop him. Neither option is very appealing, but they'll have to pick one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 There will be a whole load of military satellites and snoopy things looking at that region at the time. I'm expecting an Evard Snodonovitch to release a real time youtube vid of the event in the next 48 hours. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie S Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) The Russians are claiming they already have the blackbox. Regardless of who's got it, I can't imagine it'll have the voice of the captain saying who he thinks fired the missile. No, but they will need to examine all the available evidence to determine the cause of the crash. It will be possible to definitively determine from a combination of FDR, CVR and forensic examination of the wreckage whether it was brought down by a missile from the ground, fire from a fighter jet, a bomb on board, mechanical failure or whatever. There will be an evidential signature for all of these events. If, as looks likely, it was brought down by a missile, examination of the wreckage should reveal clues as to the type of missile used and the likely origin. There is a reason why the data recorders of KAL 007 were kept under lock and key by the Russians after a fighter jet downed the Korean airliner in 1983, until they were eventually returned to Korea by Yeltsin in late 1992, the evidence clearly established Russian culpability. Diplomatic pressure will be brought to bear to ensure that there is an international element to the investigation, probably with the involvement of the NTSB in Washington, who are the acknowledged world leaders in the field of air crash investigation. Edited July 17, 2014 by Frankie S 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 No, but they will need to examine all the available evidence to determine the cause of the crash. It will be possible to definitively determine from a combination of FDR, CVR and forensic examination of the wreckage whether it was brought down by a missile from the ground, fire from a fighter jet, a bomb on board, mechanical failure or whatever. There will be an evidential signature for all of these events. If, as looks likely, it was brought down by a missile, examination of the wreckage should reveal clues as to the type of missile used and the likely origin. There is a reason why the data recorders of KAL 007 were kept under lock and key by the Russians after a fighter jet downed the Korean airliner in 1983, until they were eventually returned to Korea by Yeltsin in late 1992, the evidence clearly established Russian culpability. Diplomatic pressure will be brought to bear to ensure that there is an international element to the investigation, probably with the involvement of the NTSB in Washington, who are the acknowledged world leaders in the field of air crash investigation. Could the Russians not manipulate the data in the black box before handing it over, or is that impossible? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee4Life1893 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 With all the dashcams over there how the f**k isn't there a video of the crash doing the rounds yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 isn't shooting down a unarmed civilian aircraft considered a war crime? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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