The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

[Bogbrush1903]

1 hour ago, CCB19035 said:

We shouldn't even be having the discussion about whether or not he's the right man for the job until he oversees his first full season, with all the things I listed above in place. 

Yesterday was a disappointing result, but our team can't manage 300 minutes of football in a week, that's not Glass' fault, he's only been in the door two weeks. 

You're quoting me so I'll clarify that I'm not questioning whether he's the right man for the job...yet...all I'm saying is that it's an ominous start and one that will, rightly or wrongly, place him under immediate pressure.

As for that second point, he could've managed his squad better if 300 minutes of football was going to be a problem. He should've been considering that the United match could go to 120 minutes too. The Cup was the priority, so why not use the Celtic match to rest a couple of the older guys?

Which brings me onto Mikey Devlin? Where the f@ck is he? I thought it was McInnes he fell out with...

 

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

7 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

I would absolutely have brought Mcgeough on at HT. I was pretty surprised he did nothing.

 

I'm sure I wasn't the only one screaming at the TV for McGeough to be brought on after 20 minutes. 

The first warning sign appeared the very first time that United broke forward and Hoban allowed Shankland (I think) to march 20 yards with the ball into the box. He blocked the shot,  but it was pretty obvious that they were able to pour forward at will. 

Anyone who has watched us this season....and Glass isn't one....would have recognised the rising signs of panic as Ferguson and Campbell got overwhelmed and as Hayes got caught out of position. We desperately needed McGeough to be brought on. 

It is worrying that Glass stood and watched that and did nothing for 60 minutes. 

[Dons_1988]

37 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

I'm sure I wasn't the only one screaming at the TV for McGeough to be brought on after 20 minutes. 

The first warning sign appeared the very first time that United broke forward and Hoban allowed Shankland (I think) to march 20 yards with the ball into the box. He blocked the shot,  but it was pretty obvious that they were able to pour forward at will. 

Anyone who has watched us this season....and Glass isn't one....would have recognised the rising signs of panic as Ferguson and Campbell got overwhelmed and as Hayes got caught out of position. We desperately needed McGeough to be brought on. 

It is worrying that Glass stood and watched that and did nothing for 60 minutes. 

Aye, the 'in-game management' is one of the few elements of Glass we can start to assess at this point and he didn't cover himself in glory there. I would have thought that at half time he would address the fact that United were completely swamping our game plan and we were on our way out.

Conversely, I liked what he did on Wednesday night to steady us in the second half when he brought Hendry off and put an extra man into the midfield.

[DukDukGoose]

I think we're looking too much in to it. At times this season we were wondering why McInnes waited until it was too late to make substitutions etc.

[Dons_1988]

47 minutes ago, Merkland Red said:

I think we're looking too much in to it. At times this season we were wondering why McInnes waited until it was too late to make substitutions etc.

Note sure we are? 

As long as it’s seen with appropriate perspective it’s a perfectly legitimate assessment to make, as it was when mcinnes did it. Much more so than any over arching conclusions on his style of play or performance as manager so far on the whole. 

[tarapoa]

48 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

Note sure we are? 

As long as it’s seen with appropriate perspective it’s a perfectly legitimate assessment to make, as it was when mcinnes did it. Much more so than any over arching conclusions on his style of play or performance as manager so far on the whole. 

He was taking some advice from a mentor he had employed.....

[RandomGuy.]

Worth mentioning we only won 2 games in our first 3 months under Davidson, and that's turned out alright.

Managers need time, and will make mistakes, early on. Glass' fate will lie in whether he's able to learn from those mistakes and adapt, nobody has any idea how that'll go yet.

[Dons_1988]

9 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

Worth mentioning we only won 2 games in our first 3 months under Davidson, and that's turned out alright.

Managers need time, and will make mistakes, early on. Glass' fate will lie in whether he's able to learn from those mistakes and adapt, nobody has any idea how that'll go yet.

Absolutely. Assessing what he did yesterday shouldn’t be misconstrued as me drawing any definitive conclusions on him as a manager whatsoever. Just talking shite about football really. 

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

57 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

Worth mentioning we only won 2 games in our first 3 months under Davidson, and that's turned out alright.

Managers need time, and will make mistakes, early on. Glass' fate will lie in whether he's able to learn from those mistakes and adapt, nobody has any idea how that'll go yet.

I don't disagree with that, but with all respect there's more expectation at Aberdeen than at St Johnstone. 

Davidson has the benefit of Saints fans being pretty satisfied with 6th place or there abouts. A cup win or even a decent cup run is a massive added bonus. Even if you had been knocked out last night Saints fans would be pretty delighted with this season. 

Glass won't get that leeway. If we don't hit the ground running in August then the pressure on him will ramp up pretty quickly.  The minimum expected from Glass is 3rd in the league, at least one cup final,  to be competitive in games against the OF, and oh aye... improved, more entertaining football. 

There's a lot of (justified) criticism of the last months of McInnes' time at Pittodrie, but he set the bar pretty damn high. 

 

 

 

[Dons_1988]

7 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

I don't disagree with that, but with all respect there's more expectation at Aberdeen than at St Johnstone. 

Davidson has the benefit of Saints fans being pretty satisfied with 6th place or there abouts. A cup win or even a decent cup run is a massive added bonus. Even if you had been knocked out last night Saints fans would be pretty delighted with this season. 

Glass won't get that leeway. If we don't hit the ground running in August then the pressure on him will ramp up pretty quickly.  The minimum expected from Glass is 3rd in the league, at least one cup final,  to be competitive in games against the OF, and oh aye... improved, more entertaining football. 

There's a lot of (justified) criticism of the last months of McInnes' time at Pittodrie, but he set the bar pretty damn high. 

 

 

 

I don’t think it’s actually fair to make that the minimum requirement in season 1. We’re talking about a total overhaul of the squad and way of playing. 

I think people need to be realistic about what kind of consistency of results/performance we can achieve in the early days. 

[kingjoey]

1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said:

Worth mentioning we only won 2 games in our first 3 months under Davidson, and that's turned out alright.

Managers need time, and will make mistakes, early on. Glass' fate will lie in whether he's able to learn from those mistakes and adapt, nobody has any idea how that'll go yet.

And Davidson was still getting a bit of stick from Saints fans after losing to us a few weeks back. That loss is, I think, Saints only defeat in  their last 10 games?

[big al]

41 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

I don’t think it’s actually fair to make that the minimum requirement in season 1. We’re talking about a total overhaul of the squad and way of playing. 

I think people need to be realistic about what kind of consistency of results/performance we can achieve in the early days. 

Surely Glass deserves 3/4 windows and therefore 2 seasons to get somewhere near where he wants to be with the team?

[highland_mechanic]

2 hours ago, big al said:

Surely Glass deserves 3/4 windows and therefore 2 seasons to get somewhere near where he wants to be with the team?

Yes he should but he won't. Worrying how many Aberdeen fans on Facebook and Twitter are already calling him a crap manager

[DrewDon]

2 hours ago, big al said:

Surely Glass deserves 3/4 windows and therefore 2 seasons to get somewhere near where he wants to be with the team?

I think so. I might change my mind if next season is an unmitigated disaster, but you don't take an inexperienced manager like Glass in and not give him time. I think Cormack will have accepted that when he decided to appoint him, in fairness. I have a feeling that next season will be quite erratic in terms of results and performances. 

[Hauzen]

11 hours ago, big al said:

Surely Glass deserves 3/4 windows and therefore 2 seasons to get somewhere near where he wants to be with the team?

I would bring that timeframe forward a bit. This summer window is unlike most other windows given the number of players out of contract, Glass can effect a pretty drastic overhaul of the squad immediately - whole new forward line and most of a defence. It's the midfield that he's kind of overloaded with, but there's scope for a change or two there. 

This summer window and then the January window should really see him with a vastly overhauled squad that is made up predominantly of his own recruits and youngsters that he rates going forward.

[Dons_1988]

11 hours ago, big al said:

Surely Glass deserves 3/4 windows and therefore 2 seasons to get somewhere near where he wants to be with the team?

Yes he should, within reason. 

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

In a perfect world, Glass would get at least 2 seasons to develop his own side. 

But football doesn't work that way. Say what you like about McInnes, but he left us with high expectations of what the club should be achieving. We've become used to fighting it out at the top of the league and getting to Hampden regularly. 

Say we were to sit mid-table for most of next season....with the like of St Johnstone, the Arabs and Killie above us....and say we got knocked out of both cups early, how understanding do you think the support will be ? Do you think fans will turn around and say 'ach, it's OK, he needs time..' ?

Sadly for Glass, part of the fun of taking on the Aberdeen manager's job is being able to cope with the expectation and pressure of being able to hit the ground running.  

Luckily for him though, Aberdeen fans are renowned for our patience....

Edited April 27, 2021 by Bob Mahelp

[Dons_1988]

37 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

In a perfect world, Glass would get at least 2 seasons to develop his own side. 

But football doesn't work that way. Say what you like about McInnes, but he left us with high expectations of what the club should be achieving. We've become used to fighting it out at the top of the league and getting to Hampden regularly. 

Say we were to sit mid-table for most of next season....with the like of St Johnstone, the Arabs and Killie above us....and say we got knocked out of both cups early, how understanding do you think the support will be ? Do you think fans will turn around and say 'ach, it's OK, he needs time..' ?

Sadly for Glass, part of the fun of taking on the Aberdeen manager's job is being able to cope with the expectation and pressure of being able to hit the ground running.  

Luckily for him though, Aberdeen fans are renowned for our patience....

It kind of falls into the 'within reason' category of my previous post.

I think if we were mid table then a lot would come down to performances and being able to see a clear progression in what he's trying to do. My fear is that Sunday's performance will be repeated a few times next season. There are plenty Scottish sides who will play an effective pressing game and exploit us if we get spooked trying to play a high risk strategy. Scottish football has a history of making a mockery of insistence on playing out from the back.

This is why recruitment is so, so key. If we're going to play a certain style regardless of personnel then it can get quite messy if recruitment is bad. One thing about Mcinnes is that when he fucked up recruitment (and he did), he'd just set us up in a way that we'd squeak enough results to achieve the bare minimum.

ETA - Did Mcghee not get pretty much a free pass in his first season? Pretty horrendous season and finished 9th or something.

Edited April 27, 2021 by Dons_1988

[big al]

2 hours ago, Hauzen said:

I would bring that timeframe forward a bit. This summer window is unlike most other windows given the number of players out of contract, Glass can effect a pretty drastic overhaul of the squad immediately - whole new forward line and most of a defence. It's the midfield that he's kind of overloaded with, but there's scope for a change or two there. 

This summer window and then the January window should really see him with a vastly overhauled squad that is made up predominantly of his own recruits and youngsters that he rates going forward.

I get what you are saying. However, the players required aren’t always available at the first or 2nd opportunities. It takes time to build the right team.

It also takes time to bring on the youngsters, and for Aberdeen to be successful a few youngsters will be needed in the team for sure. Never going to ‘out sign’ the arse cheeks to win trophies so need a good core to come through from the youths.

[big al]

23 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

In a perfect world, Glass would get at least 2 seasons to develop his own side. 

But football doesn't work that way. Say what you like about McInnes, but he left us with high expectations of what the club should be achieving. We've become used to fighting it out at the top of the league and getting to Hampden regularly. 

Say we were to sit mid-table for most of next season....with the like of St Johnstone, the Arabs and Killie above us....and say we got knocked out of both cups early, how understanding do you think the support will be ? Do you think fans will turn around and say 'ach, it's OK, he needs time..' ?

Sadly for Glass, part of the fun of taking on the Aberdeen manager's job is being able to cope with the expectation and pressure of being able to hit the ground running.  

Luckily for him though, Aberdeen fans are renowned for our patience....

I get what you are saying, and the fans patience won’t last.

To get it right in the first season though would require a huge amount of luck.

If Aberdeen managers are only given a season to be successful, it will be a constant revolving door of them. 
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