The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

[DrewDon]

I am massively surprised that he is dropping down to the Championship, even if he thinks he has a good chance of getting them promoted this season. Maybe suggests that he hasn't had as much interest as he expected from England after being sacked by us? Possibly a combination of that and just not wanting to risk being out of the game for too long. 

Still, feels like a serious coup for Kilmarnock if it goes ahead, but potentially a high-risk move for McInnes. 

[tarapoa]

I think being overlooked by both Hibs and Ipswich recently maybe surprised him.

He will maybe look at Wright making an erse of things at Kilmarnock and feel the post-Clarke blues there have been erased and realistically the only way is up there again...............and that one day he may also end up where Clarke is now.

 

[DukDukGoose]

38 minutes ago, tarapoa said:

I think being overlooked by both Hibs and Ipswich recently maybe surprised him.

He will maybe look at Wright making an erse of things at Kilmarnock and feel the post-Clarke blues there have been erased and realistically the only way is up there again...............and that one day he may also end up where Clarke is now.

 

I'd be amazed if he isn't Scotland manager one day. He'll have to make sure he doesn't f**k it up at Killie though.

[Bogbrush1903]

17 hours ago, Rugbypark said:

Strong rumours that Killie are talking to McInnes. I’m aware of the criticisms of eye bleeding football etc, but what do you think? Could he be the answer for us in the position we are in? He was the only manager Sir Steve couldn’t get the better of.

I genuinely think it's act of desperation for Killie, after failing to attract their No.1 target Jack Ross, and a white flag of surrender from McInnes for looking for any bigger jobs down south.

 

Even coming in at this late stage, Killie should be looking to win the Championship with Arbroath and stuttering ICT and Raith above them. I think anything less than the promotion will be seen as failure and will probably mean the end of the McInnes reign.

 

However, I don't think promotion with Killie will particularly strengthen his CV and they'll struggle in the Premiership.

 

I'd be surprised if he's still there by the end of 2022/23.

 

It all rings familiar as this is the same route Jimmy Calderwood took after his departure from Aberdeen when he also thought that there might be better positions out there for him.

 

I think Calderwood saved you from relegation but left after six months. Perhaps a similar length of service beckons for Del at Rugby Park.

 

The patronising will tell you how great an appointment this is; but Delboy was a spent force by the time he left Pittodrie. Perhaps a new management team will reinvigorate him but if Docherty and Sheerin turn up then it's an ominous sign.

 

The only thing in his favour is that he can't do much worse than Tommy Wright.

 

 

[ropy]

Will Tommy be looking for a new gig or is he a busted flush?

[Dons_1988]

10 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

I genuinely think it's act of desperation for Killie, after failing to attract their No.1 target Jack Ross, and a white flag of surrender from McInnes for looking for any bigger jobs down south.

 

Even coming in at this late stage, Killie should be looking to win the Championship with Arbroath and stuttering ICT and Raith above them. I think anything less than the promotion will be seen as failure and will probably mean the end of the McInnes reign.

 

However, I don't think promotion with Killie will particularly strengthen his CV and they'll struggle in the Premiership.

 

I'd be surprised if he's still there by the end of 2022/23.

 

It all rings familiar as this is the same route Jimmy Calderwood took after his departure from Aberdeen when he also thought that there might be better positions out there for him.

 

I think Calderwood saved you from relegation but left after six months. Perhaps a similar length of service beckons for Del at Rugby Park.

 

The patronising will tell you how great an appointment this is; but Delboy was a spent force by the time he left Pittodrie. Perhaps a new management team will reinvigorate him but if Docherty and Sheerin turn up then it's an ominous sign.

 

The only thing in his favour is that he can't do much worse than Tommy Wright.

 

 

What a heap of shite 

[coprolite]

It would be mutually beneficial if Derek could raid us for top championship level players. 

Hayes would do a job for Killie, maybe McGinn too. Even if we buy out the wage differential it would free up some budget. 

[big al]

Would be a decent appointment for killie, no doubt about that.

Could work out favourably for McInnes should he get them up and especially if they end up top 6 after a season or 2 in the premier.

A fair bit of speculative crap getting spouted about him. He is clearly a decent manager with all the contacts and had just had his time at the Dons. 1 or 2 new back room staff/assistants might help.

[DukDukGoose]

Just now, big al said:

Would be a decent appointment for killie, no doubt about that.

Could work out favourably for McInnes should he get them up and especially if they end up top 6 after a season or 2 in the premier.

A fair bit of speculative crap getting spouted about him. He is clearly a decent manager with all the contacts and had just had his time at the Dons. 1 or 2 new back room staff/assistants might help.

The big problem for me was him keeping the same staff for years.

You'd always seem them nodding in agreement when speaking to him. As soon as he was gone Sheerin attempted a completely different style of football.

[Irrational Behaviour]

On 01/01/2022 at 10:25, Irrational Behaviour said:

Signing to be made today. 

Got it badly wrong. 

Sorry folks. 

It was right back Rankin-Costello on loan from Blackburn Rovers. Thought there was some substance to it given the Hedges potentially going the other way plus Ramsay rumours. 

 

 

Edited January 4, 2022 by Irrational Behaviour

[Bogbrush1903]

1 hour ago, Dons_1988 said:

What a heap of shite 

Do you care to elaborate? 

"A heap" suggests you think everything is shite; however, it starts off with a fact, the Killie's No1 target was Jack Ross.

So you tell me exactly what you think is shite and allow me the opportunity to respond...

Edited January 4, 2022 by Bogbrush1903

[Dons_1988]

51 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

Do you care to elaborate? 

"A heap" suggests you think everything is shite; however, it starts off with a fact, the Killie's No1 target was Jack Ross.

So you tell me exactly what you think is shite and allow me the opportunity to respond...

It starts off with you saying it’s an act of desperation from killie because they missed out on their first target. Moving onto another target and hiring someone with a proven pedigree is desperate? Ok. 

you say killie will struggle in the premiership. Even in the unlikely event that you’ve watched them regularly this season, I’m not sure what you are basing that on. 

The rest is laced with bitterness towards mcinnes which I really can’t fathom why some dons fans do even after he’s left. 

 

[DrewDon]

It does suggest to me, perhaps unfairly, that his body of work with us might not be viewed as favourably as we, or some of us, might have expected (at least in England). Impossible to know for sure, but I doubt it’s the sort of next move McInnes envisaged when he left us last March. 

[craigkillie]

In what way is it a fact that Jack Ross was our number 1 target? He had ruled himself out within a couple of days, so given that he has a good relationship with our DOF I doubt we would have any illusions of him being interested.

[Dons_1988]

10 minutes ago, DrewDon said:

It does suggest to me, perhaps unfairly, that his body of work with us might not be viewed as favourably as we, or some of us, might have expected (at least in England). Impossible to know for sure, but I doubt it’s the sort of next move McInnes envisaged when he left us last March. 

I think it shows timing is everything for a manager. He probably feels he should’ve taken the opportunities that came to him at his height. If you don’t as a manager your stock can fall quite quickly. 

[Bogbrush1903]

48 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

It starts off with you saying it’s an act of desperation from killie because they missed out on their first target. Moving onto another target and hiring someone with a proven pedigree is desperate? Ok. 

you say killie will struggle in the premiership. Even in the unlikely event that you’ve watched them regularly this season, I’m not sure what you are basing that on. 

The rest is laced with bitterness towards mcinnes which I really can’t fathom why some dons fans do even after he’s left. 

 

I have no bitterness towards McInnes.

From 2013 to the Sunderland approach in 2017 he did a good job. But as I said in my original post, by 2020 he was a spent force.  This is now 2022. I think it's fair enough to question if McInnes can recapture his managerial pedigree of 2017 at a Scottish Championship club.

He has a past record of both relative success and relative failure. He had decent four years at Aberdeen and couple of years at St Johnstone and not so good three years at Aberdeen and difficult spell in England. 

He wasn't the board's first choice. They wanted Jack Ross. McInnes got the job but was picked from a shortlist as opposed to Ross who had the job if he wanted it. At least one board member may have reservations about employing McInnes which might make his life harder than needs be.

I say Killie will struggle in the Premiership because the league has went up a competitive notch since their last successful manager, Stevie Clarke was in charge. Killie fans may compare McInnes to Clarke but I don't believe McInnes can lead Killie into the Top 6 let alone 3rd.

As I say, it remains to be seen whether he can lead them back to the Premiership this season but they surely now must be favourites if he's as good as you evidently think.

Edited January 4, 2022 by Bogbrush1903

[coprolite]

2 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

I have no bitterness towards McInnes.

From 2013 to the Sunderland approach in 2017 he did a good job. But as I said in my original post, by 2020 he was a spent force.  This is now 2022. I think it's fair enough to question if McInnes can recapture is managerial pedigree of 2017 at a Scottish Championship club.

He has a past record of both relative success and relative failure.

He wasn't the board's first choice. They wanted Jack Ross. McInnes got the job but was picked from a shortlist as opposed to Ross who had the job if he wanted it. At least one board member may have reservations about employing McInnes which might make his life harder than needs be.

I say Killie will struggle in the Premiership because the league has went up a competitive notch since their last successful manager, Stevie Clarke was in charge. Killie fans may compare McInnes to Clarke and I don't believe McInnes can lead Killie into the Top 6 let alone 3rd.

As I say, it remains to be seen whether he can lead them back to the Premiership this season but they surely now must be favourites if he's as good as you evidently think.

I’d give a McInnes-led Killie more than a puncher’s chance of finishing above us next season unless we have a couple of stellar windows.

[Bogbrush1903]

1 minute ago, coprolite said:

I’d give a McInnes-led Killie more than a puncher’s chance of finishing above us next season unless we have a couple of stellar windows.

I think Killie would need a couple of stellar windows too though...let's see who McInnes comes back to Aberdeen for because if it's the likes of Kennedy, McLennan, Campbell and McGinn then you may need to review. McInnes likes familiar faces so I wouldn't be surprised to see some ex-Aberdeen or current Aberdeen players wash up at Rugby Park soon.... 

[Dons_1988]

7 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

I have no bitterness towards McInnes.

From 2013 to the Sunderland approach in 2017 he did a good job. But as I said in my original post, by 2020 he was a spent force.  This is now 2022. I think it's fair enough to question if McInnes can recapture is managerial pedigree of 2017 at a Scottish Championship club.

He has a past record of both relative success and relative failure.

He wasn't the board's first choice. They wanted Jack Ross. McInnes got the job but was picked from a shortlist as opposed to Ross who had the job if he wanted it. At least one board member may have reservations about employing McInnes which might make his life harder than needs be.

I say Killie will struggle in the Premiership because the league has went up a competitive notch since their last successful manager, Stevie Clarke was in charge. Killie fans may compare McInnes to Clarke and I don't believe McInnes can lead Killie into the Top 6 let alone 3rd.

As I say, it remains to be seen whether he can lead them back to the Premiership this season but they surely now must be favourites if he's as good as you evidently think.

That implies that mcinnes 2020 was a significantly worse manager than mcinnes 2017. 

Id say he went through the Normal lifecycle of a manager, and just stayed on that curve a bit too long. Other than maybe sir Alex Ferguson, every manager eventually runs out of ideas, particularly in recruitment. The fans lose interest, finishing 4th is fairly boring compared when we were pushing Celtic or finishing above rangers. It happens. 

 

[Bogbrush1903]

15 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

In what way is it a fact that Jack Ross was our number 1 target? He had ruled himself out within a couple of days, so given that he has a good relationship with our DOF I doubt we would have any illusions of him being interested.

Well maybe I heard wrong so I'll retract "factual" as I have no proof, but the timing of Wright's removal and the sudden availability of Ross suggests that there was something in it and Killie were moving quick to get their man...