anotherchance Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 I rate Moult and May, and I fully understand McInnes' signing policy of players he knows well but.....if we're potentially looking at spending upwards of 400k is Moult, who may not start every week, the best use of it? A striker is only as good as the service he gets, and Rooney is probably easier to replace than Hayes/McGinn. Maybe the big bucks should be going on replacing them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottorae Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Getting a wee bit worried now. The players we seem to be missing out on would be a statement of intent, what's left isn't 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-MAN Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Well the Jay Spearing rumour must be shitHe was released yesterday by Bolton as they could not afford to keep him on the same contract he had since 2013. He is their highest paid player. No chance he's coming here. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]????[emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naegoodinthedark Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Moult isn't worth 400k+ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 agreed £400k+Storey would be my last bid and I probably wouldn't even have bid that tbh If we pay half a million when him and May are both on a free next summer I'd say its a waste 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 If Moult was playing in League One in England I dare say he'd be worth more that 400k. A couple of seasons banging in the goal for Aberdeen and you be able to sell him for double what you paid I think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellAnderson Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Aye, he's definitely worth around half a mil. He's a great goalscorer, and an upgrade on Rooney certainly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) 43 minutes ago, RussellAnderson said: Aye, he's definitely worth around half a mil. He's a great goalscorer, and an upgrade on Rooney certainly. Moult's absolutely worth half a million to Motherwell. He's been our top scorer the past two seasons running and it's not a stretch to say that his goals kept us in the league. If he leaves then we have to replace that so that was 33% of our league goals last season and 31% the season before. He's shown some decent form in pre-season but it unlikely that we'll be seeing Ryan Bowman getting those sort of numbers nor Alex Fisher and Jacob fucking Blyth certainly won't. I'd say that how available Motherwell's intended replacements are will have a fair influence on things (especially as we've yet to replace McDonald IMO). Whether Moult's worth £500k for Aberdeen is a different question given you've got Rooney there already and have since added Maynard. With Stewart and Christie added to the side I don't imagine you'll be short of goals. As Desp said the other day, I think Moult would score a barrowload for Aberdeen but I'd also add the caveat that I don't necessarily think you'd need to spend £500k on a player to get the same return, OK Storey and Stockley look like busts but I'd be amazed if Aberdeen wouldn't be able to find a striker to score goals for them for a fraction of that £500k. I'm a fan of Moult absolutely but he's not without his limitations; he's not particularly quick, he doesn't hold the ball up particularly well (though has improved on that side of his game) and he doesn't suit the lone striker role. He was always at his best playing with a partner in Scott McDonald. He's also rehabbing from surgery at the moment and hasn't featured in any of our pre-season games because of that so it's unlikely that he'll be available for your early European games. IIRC there was chat that he's about 3-4 weeks behind the rest of our squad fitness-wise. The target was for him to be back in about a month. I don't really see that the "we'll sign him on a pre-contract" logic works and there's no guarantee that you will. If he's available for nothing then there's every chance that teams who maybe fancied Moult but didn't want to match Motherwell's valuation will make more of an effort. Similarly, the longer it drags out the more chance I'd say there is of other teams becoming interested. If teams from England start sniffing about and making credible offers then I'd say the balance shifts to them. There's a fair chance that Aberdeen probably have a short window to make this happen if they actually want him. Clearly my preference is that we get our asking price from some Championship/League 1 mob like Sheffield United, Oxford, Birmingham or Derby so we get our money, Moult heads back to England and everyone at Fir Park is happy that he won't be scoring goals against us next season. Hopefully that's what we make happen. Edited July 9, 2017 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illgresi Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 48 minutes ago, capt_oats said: Moult's absolutely worth half a million to Motherwell. He's been our top scorer the past two seasons running and it's not a stretch to say that his goals kept us in the league. If he leaves then we have to replace that so that was 33% of our league goals last season and 31% the season before. He's shown some decent form in pre-season but it unlikely that we'll be seeing Ryan Bowman getting those sort of numbers nor Alex Fisher and Jacob fucking Blyth certainly won't. I'd say that how available Motherwell's intended replacements are will have a fair influence on things (especially as we've yet to replace McDonald IMO). Whether Moult's worth £500k for Aberdeen is a different question given you've got Rooney there already and have since added Maynard. With Stewart and Christie added to the side I don't imagine you'll be short of goals. As Desp said the other day, I think Moult would score a barrowload for Aberdeen but I'd also add the caveat that I don't necessarily think you'd need to spend £500k on a player to get the same return, OK Storey and Stockley look like busts but I'd be amazed if Aberdeen wouldn't be able to find a striker to score goals for them for a fraction of that £500k. I'm a fan of Moult absolutely but he's not without his limitations; he's not particularly quick, he doesn't hold the ball up particularly well (though has improved on that side of his game) and he doesn't suit the lone striker role. He was always at his best playing with a partner in Scott McDonald. I don't really see that the "we'll sign him on a pre-contract" logic works and there's no guarantee that you will. If he's available for nothing then there's every chance that teams who maybe fancied Moult but didn't want to match Motherwell's valuation will make more of an effort. Similarly, the longer it drags out the more chance I'd say there is of other teams becoming interested. If teams from England start sniffing about and making credible offers then I'd say the balance shifts to them. There's a fair chance that Aberdeen probably have a short window to make this happen if they actually want him. Clearly my preference is that we get our asking price from some Championship/League 1 mob like Sheffield United, Oxford, Birmingham or Derby so we get our money, Moult heads back to England and everyone at Fir Park is happy that he won't be scoring goals against us next season. Hopefully that's what we make happen. A reasoned and well thought out post. Get out of here! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellAnderson Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 1 hour ago, capt_oats said: Moult's absolutely worth half a million to Motherwell. He's been our top scorer the past two seasons running and it's not a stretch to say that his goals kept us in the league. If he leaves then we have to replace that so that was 33% of our league goals last season and 31% the season before. He's shown some decent form in pre-season but it unlikely that we'll be seeing Ryan Bowman getting those sort of numbers nor Alex Fisher and Jacob fucking Blyth certainly won't. I'd say that how available Motherwell's intended replacements are will have a fair influence on things (especially as we've yet to replace McDonald IMO). Whether Moult's worth £500k for Aberdeen is a different question given you've got Rooney there already and have since added Maynard. With Stewart and Christie added to the side I don't imagine you'll be short of goals. As Desp said the other day, I think Moult would score a barrowload for Aberdeen but I'd also add the caveat that I don't necessarily think you'd need to spend £500k on a player to get the same return, OK Storey and Stockley look like busts but I'd be amazed if Aberdeen wouldn't be able to find a striker to score goals for them for a fraction of that £500k. I'm a fan of Moult absolutely but he's not without his limitations; he's not particularly quick, he doesn't hold the ball up particularly well (though has improved on that side of his game) and he doesn't suit the lone striker role. He was always at his best playing with a partner in Scott McDonald. He's also rehabbing from surgery at the moment and hasn't featured in any of our pre-season games because of that so it's unlikely that he'll be available for your early European games. IIRC there was chat that he's about 3-4 weeks behind the rest of our squad fitness-wise. The target was for him to be back in about a month. I don't really see that the "we'll sign him on a pre-contract" logic works and there's no guarantee that you will. If he's available for nothing then there's every chance that teams who maybe fancied Moult but didn't want to match Motherwell's valuation will make more of an effort. Similarly, the longer it drags out the more chance I'd say there is of other teams becoming interested. If teams from England start sniffing about and making credible offers then I'd say the balance shifts to them. There's a fair chance that Aberdeen probably have a short window to make this happen if they actually want him. Clearly my preference is that we get our asking price from some Championship/League 1 mob like Sheffield United, Oxford, Birmingham or Derby so we get our money, Moult heads back to England and everyone at Fir Park is happy that he won't be scoring goals against us next season. Hopefully that's what we make happen. It'll be interesting to see how Rooney does next year. Last year he was poor IMO, only got 12 in the league with two of the league's best wingers crossing for him. It could have just been a blip, or it could be the start of his decline. If he is to begin to taper off, Moult would be a good replacement. If we're looking for someone to augment what he offers, I don't think Moult would be that good an option. So his value to the Dons depends on how McInnes views his, and Rooney's, roles within the squad. I certainly think a narrow front three of Christie, Stewart and Moult would be very exciting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottorae Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Any news on the Donny Rovers game today? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 2-0 Maynard and Rooney Shinnie back fit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illgresi Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) Won 2 - 0, Rooney then Maynard. Not heard any opinions on performance(s) yet. Stewart didn't start but replaced, McLean who went off with a knock? Edited July 9, 2017 by Illgresi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-MAN Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Adam Susac. Croatian Centre Half playing for us today ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highland_mechanic Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Can only assume he was a trialist? Had 2 appearances for Rijeka back in 2012-13, 17 appearances for Dynamo Dresden in 2013-14, 18 appearances for Wiener Neustadt in 2014-15 and 39 appearances for Erzebirge Aue since 2015. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illgresi Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 If we're better than Rijeka, and he wasn't good enough for Rijeka, it makes me wonder why we're even entertaining the idea of signing him. Never know though, may have improved significantly since then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow-sheep Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 I love McInnes but his signing policy is to buy folk he knows well. Nothing wrong with that but he seems to know good defenders and is scrabbling round look at shite journey men being punted by agents. Hopefully he's got someone identified and this is just an insurance policy but would be nice to see or hear something positive soon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherchance Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 I'd be very surprised if these trialists are the basis of McInnes' recruitment plans for the summer, indeed they're more than likely just jersey fillers for the bounce games given the youths played yesterday and have their own pre season schedule.Unfortunately the market is against us at present, if we're looking at paying fees. With Europe we're in an almost unique position of needing players in now (Friday felt like transfer deadline day) but clubs elsewhere aren't in any rush to sell - especially not at the reduced prices we'll be trying to negotiate. Especially since clubs know we've got some coin at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 If I was to second guess what DM is playing at it'd be that he has in mind his favoured target and they are under contract at moment. So waiting for a pay off or being allowed out on loan. Perhaps this has the potential to run up to end August so he's raking in the bargain bins (>£1k/week) to look for cover in the meantime who can be accomodated as a squad player if he gets his man 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illgresi Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, d31 said: If I was to second guess what DM is playing at it'd be that he has in mind his favoured target and they are under contract at moment. So waiting for a pay off or being allowed out on loan. Perhaps this has the potential to run up to end August so he's raking in the bargain bins (>£1k/week) to look for cover in the meantime who can be accomodated as a squad player if he gets his man That sounds legitimate to me. The problem is, it's all too reminiscent of days gone by where we've struggled to get targets in, and ended up with inferior squad fillers. This summer is really McInnes' first real test with us in terms of replacing players in key positions, and despite solid signings there are still huge gaps to fill. Specifically, a Jonny Hayes shaped hole needs to be addressed if we're to be as good as last season. If we want to improve on last season, we need a centre back, and a left back imo. Plenty of time left before the deadline, I just hope we've got enough currently to break this Bosnian mob. Still, my faith in McInnes has only been briefly shaken once in his time here, and he's earned every confidence that he'll sort us out by the start of the domestic season. Although Docherty played it down, I genuinely think they should be seriously considering Arnason. He's got the intelligence to hold O'Connor in line, not to mention very good technique for a centre back at our level, and clearly has a lot of love for the club. That said, if they genuinely aren't interested, I'd expect an even more sterling signing. I had my doubts about Maloney when I first heard about it, but the way McInnes described him as wanting to come here to be 'our best player' has got me thinking, he actually probably will; not only be our best player, but up there with some of Celtic's attacking midfielders. The movement of Maloney and Christie will likely tear to shreds most teams we face. Add to that Stewarts goalscoring threat, and a potential (hopefully) striking upgrade in Moult (given Rooney's dwindling form) it could turn out to be another strong season for us. It's those glaring gaps, and 33 years as a Dons fan that leave me still nervous. Edited July 9, 2017 by Illgresi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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