topcat(The most tip top) Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 The club were sectarian merely because they were founded by a couple of priests? I'd be interested in your "literal" interpretation of what sectarianism is. Some variant on “Denoting, concerning or pertaining to a sect.” Obviously As I say you’re free to use whatever definition makes you feel better 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebowski Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 57 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Some variant on “Denoting, concerning or pertaining to a sect.” Obviously As I say you’re free to use whatever definition makes you feel better So Hearts were set up as a sectarian club with respect to having to be a member of a dancehall... In Scottish terms sectarian has become synonymous with religion. But anything which excludes others could be considered sectarian. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 So Hearts were set up as a sectarian club with respect to having to be a member of a dancehall... In Scottish terms sectarian has become synonymous with religion. But anything which excludes others could be considered sectarian. A dance hall is a very imaginative interpretation of the word "sect".But As I say, whatever makes you feel better 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebowski Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 32 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: A dance hall is a very imaginative interpretation of the word "sect". But As I say, whatever makes you feel better People that have chosen to be a member of something are by definition a sect. It doesn't make me feel better at all. I'm very happy my club exists, and I'm actually reasonably proud that the reason why it was founded was because the people it was founded for were excluded from large parts of society. Totally aware that's nothing like as good an origin story as some VLs from a dancehall forming a club obviously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 (edited) Please stop. Edited April 15, 2018 by JamieThomas 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Who can forget those horrific sectarian troubles in the 70's between dancehalls and cinemas? Dark days indeed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 12 hours ago, BawWatchin said: The club were sectarian merely because they were founded by a couple of priests? I'd be interested in your "literal" interpretation of what sectarianism is. No they were sectarian because you couldn't play for them if you weren't Catholic. I'm not denying there was discrimination against Catholics at that time. I'm equally unconvinced creating your own exclusive wee club was the most effective way of dealing with that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 11 hours ago, Lebowski said: So Hearts were set up as a sectarian club with respect to having to be a member of a dancehall... In Scottish terms sectarian has become synonymous with religion. But anything which excludes others could be considered sectarian. Hearts were set up by people who frequented a dance hall. They didn't exclude those who went to other halls though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said: No they were sectarian because you couldn't play for them if you weren't Catholic. Actually, that’s not even true at all. Protestants refused to play for the club because they refused to play along side Catholics. They were never officially forbidden from doing so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 1 minute ago, BawWatchin said: Actually, that’s not even true at all. Protestants refused to play for the club because they refused to play along side Catholics. They were never officially forbidden from doing so. What, not a single Protestant wanted to play with them? 8 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Actually, that’s not even true at all. Protestants refused to play for the club because they refused to play along side Catholics. They were never officially forbidden from doing so. It is true. Your suggestion that not a single Protestant would play with these nasty Catholics, despite them being welcome, is ridiculous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 What an absolutely bizarre collection of c***s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said: What, not a single Protestant wanted to play with them? It is true. Your suggestion that not a single Protestant would play with these nasty Catholics, despite them being welcome, is ridiculous. You obviously know very little about the way things were back then. Even Protestants who wanted to play for our club wouldn’t out of the fear of being singled out or accused of being a traitor to the crown. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsider Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Who. Gives. A. Flying. f**k? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: You obviously know very little about the way things were back then. Even Protestants who wanted to play for our club wouldn’t out of the fear of being singled out or accused of being a traitor to the crown. Pish. It doesn't get round the fact to play for the original Hibernian team you had to be a practicing Catholic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egg Shen Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 (edited) Right, f**k up shit c***s, nobody shall ruin Beattie day. Happy Anniversary lads. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/17649430 Almost as good as the final. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/17721840 Edited April 15, 2018 by Egg Shen 2nd link 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 I’ve clearly won here. So I’ll dip back in several weeks from now when we give you another ride. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcor Roar Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Egg Shen said: Right, f**k up shit c***s, nobody shall ruin Beattie day. Happy Anniversary lads. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/17649430 Almost as good as the final. Might be my favourite game as a hearts fan. I remember waiting at the station at Queens Park afterwards. Some middle aged biddy sees my scarf and saunters up to me with a grin - 'What was the score then son?' '2 - 1 Hearts.' '2 - 1 Celtic?' 'No, 2 - 1 to Hearts.' She stood there nodding for a moment as the grin slowly transformed to a grimace then she dondered off head bowed. Great memories. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 31 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: I’ve clearly won here. So I’ll dip back in several weeks from now when we give you another ride. There are no winners here. Only losers. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 53 minutes ago, topsider said: Who. Gives. A. Flying. f**k? I've actually found it quite interesting. Just shows you how fucking mental things surrounding religion were back then. It's great to see how far Scottish society has progressed over the past 100+ years... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 I've actually found it quite interesting. Just shows you how fucking mental things surrounding religion were back then. It's great to see how far Scottish East Coast society has progressed over the past 100+ years... FTFY. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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