Allan Jacobsen Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 5 hours ago, TheScarf said: Folk, again, are missing the point re Willie Miller. He says every game of ours he covers is utter shite. He's regular as clockwork with it. His dislike for ICT colours his match reporting. He see's us, County and Hamilton as a hindrance to Scottish football and resents being posted to the Highlands to cover games. From what I've heard from him when he's posted to cover our games, he's not particularly fond of us either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Maybe if Willie Miller channelled his anger into running his businesses properly he wouldn't have had so many failed start ups over the years. Or maybe that explains why he's a perma seething mess. There was a lot of guff recently about why the 18,000 sell out between Hibs and Dundee United showed why they should be in the Premiership. That large crowd was great of course but it was only that big because both sides were at the upper end of the Championship and it was a massive game for both sides. Crowds for the same fixture in the Premiership were getting around half that. We really need to kill this notion that because a team has a big crowd they deserve to be in the top league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, RiG said: There was a lot of guff recently about why the 18,000 sell out between Hibs and Dundee United showed why they should be in the Premiership. That large crowd was great of course but it was only that big because both sides were at the upper end of the Championship and it was a massive game for both sides. Crowds for the same fixture in the Premiership were getting around half that. Indeed, we took about 800 to Ayr United in the 1st division as it was a big game. Normally it would be about 250 for a run of the mill fixture. No matter what league a club plays in, big games draw big crowds. It's not a difficult concept to understand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Maybe if Willie Miller channelled his anger into running his businesses properly he wouldn't have had so many failed start ups over the years. Or maybe that explains why he's a perma seething mess. There was a lot of guff recently about why the 18,000 sell out between Hibs and Dundee United showed why they should be in the Premiership. That large crowd was great of course but it was only that big because both sides were at the upper end of the Championship and it was a massive game for both sides. Crowds for the same fixture in the Premiership were getting around half that. We really need to kill this notion that because a team has a big crowd they deserve to be in the top league. As far as I can see no-one is saying they deserve to be in the top league. And no-one is calling for a change in the rules to return to a 'natural order'. Some folk are getting a bit touchy about their lack of box office status (that's a first for p&b). Let's revisit this topic when Miller or someone else is wrong in what they say. It appears to be that his rant against the quality on show on Saturday was fully justified. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 My original point was about the particular venom that WM was directing at Richie Foran tbh. Not just once but twice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, pandarilla said: As far as I can see no-one is saying they deserve to be in the top league. And no-one is calling for a change in the rules to return to a 'natural order'. Some folk are getting a bit touchy about their lack of box office status (that's a first for p&b). Let's revisit this topic when Miller or someone else is wrong in what they say. It appears to be that his rant against the quality on show on Saturday was fully justified. No one is saying that anyone has said that Hibs / Dundee United should be in the Premiership in recent days however there was a lot of this chat from pundits around the time of that match. Again, no one is saying that Miller is wrong about criticising the quality of the ICT game. The match was dreadful and can't be dressed up any other way. However, it was his OTT criticism of Foran that attracted attention and people weren't sure why he would have such strong hatred of Foran / ICT. It was suggested that Miller, as one of those pundits who believes that teams like Hibs / Dundee United should be top tier sides because they have big crowds (despite the big crowds in recent months being something of an anomaly), resents teams like ICT because they have smaller crowds by comparison which leads to his dislike of them. Edited January 31, 2017 by RiG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) No surprise you're having to break it down for him RiG. Edit - There's lots of evidence suggesting Willie Miller detests ICT. Taking Saturday's match report against Thistle totally out of the conversation - Our crowds. Our location. The non Grey Tansey transfer to Aberdeen. He's been vocal and negative towards ICT about these points on more than one occasion. Edited January 31, 2017 by TheScarf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSU Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 20 hours ago, pandarilla said: Kris Boyd on 5live just now? What the f**k is going on? There's a woman on agreeing with him on every issue - but everyone else seems to be getting them telt. Quite tense. A painful listen. Mark Chapman trying to make conflict wherever he could when Sutton and Boyd agreed or disagreed. Boyd limited to saying "football players want to play football" and "telling players to do this, do that" a hundred times, Sutton generally being his insufferable self. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 12 hours ago, pandarilla said: Very simple question. Do you accept that there is a negative financial consequence of our major teams being out the top flight? A tiny one, for the other clubs that would be in the top flight anyway; although their enhanced chances of relative success will go some way - even in your very narrow financial terms - to offsetting that. There is of course a major financial boost for the clubs who are in the top tier at the expense of the bigger ones outside it. And of course, there's potentially a financial boost for the teams who are in the lower divisions. So even if we stupidly confine ourselves to the realm of finance, your theory struggles to get to its feet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 4 hours ago, pandarilla said: As far as I can see no-one is saying they deserve to be in the top league. And no-one is calling for a change in the rules to return to a 'natural order'. That's precisely what Gordon Strachan repeatedly called for with his pleas for "engineering" to bring about such a thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 That's precisely what Gordon Strachan repeatedly called for with his pleas for "engineering" to bring about such a thing. If he did he was wrong. I don't remember him using that particular phrase, but happy to be corrected. As much as doncaster is a p***k, in one sense Scottish football is a 'product'. Sponsors, TV deals, and hype - all of these things affect the funding into the game, and they do matter (although not as much as he thinks). Atmosphere and rivalries affect the product. You admitted in the post just above that it has a 'tiny' impact. I would say it's a wee bit more than that. But even still, it's very small margins that can make a big difference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Sportsound pundits were having a big pop at Rodgers the other night ffs because of what he'd said about Craig Gordon. This isn't some anti Caley thing. Listen to the show and the podcast all the time and it hasn't even crossed my mind once. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Willie Miller continuously has a go at Derek McInnes whenever the team doesn't play well, even if they win. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) Richard Wilson saying exactly what I've been saying about the alleged upheaval during Hearts' January transfer window - the players who left, left for good reason, and had to be replaced, but January isn't the ideal time to recruit - fucking boom! Edited January 31, 2017 by paranoid android 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 We should just forget the football and base the league positions depending on attendances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 9 hours ago, pandarilla said: If he did he was wrong. I don't remember him using that particular phrase, but happy to be corrected. As much as doncaster is a p***k, in one sense Scottish football is a 'product'. Sponsors, TV deals, and hype - all of these things affect the funding into the game, and they do matter (although not as much as he thinks). Atmosphere and rivalries affect the product. You admitted in the post just above that it has a 'tiny' impact. I would say it's a wee bit more than that. But even still, it's very small margins that can make a big difference. I said that it has a tiny negative financial impact for some clubs and actually a positive one for some others. What exactly is this "big difference" you speak of? How has it been manifest? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 We should just forget the football and base the league positions depending on attendances. Don't say that deeman, you lot would be back down in the championship with us! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I said that it has a tiny negative financial impact for some clubs and actually a positive one for some others. What exactly is this "big difference" you speak of? How has it been manifest? The difference will be in the private meetings about finance. Deals are not done in public. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubford don Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 15 hours ago, TheScarf said: No surprise you're having to break it down for him RiG. Edit - There's lots of evidence suggesting Willie Miller detests ICT. Taking Saturday's match report against Thistle totally out of the conversation - Our crowds. Our location. The non Grey Tansey transfer to Aberdeen. He's been vocal and negative towards ICT about these points on more than one occasion. It's not just Miller though many of our so called journalists talk down our game in general and the smaller teams in particular.After caley or it may have been saints won the cup some scribbler was having a go at the fans due to the fact that average attendances hadn't jumped up after the cup win again making it a negative. why not write instead that those two clubs had shown that you don't need massive crowds to win a cup or be successful in general making it a positive article. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 27 minutes ago, pandarilla said: The difference will be in the private meetings about finance. Deals are not done in public. So no actual impact that you can point to at all then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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