The_Kincardine Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 6 hours ago, wastecoatwilly said: Listen I have looked back and I can give you some examples Billy McNeil got 13 caps winning silverware all over the place.His direct opponent was McKinnon with 28 caps, the same goes with jinky and Bobby Lennox. McKinnon got his first cap in 1965 when your very own Jock Stein (managing Scotland's WC campaign) dropped McNeil. Others Stein could have picked included Frank McLintock (only 9 caps) or Ron Yeats (astonishingly, 2 caps). As has been pointed out, we had a wealth of riches at that time. McKinnon's first game was vs Italy whom we beat 1-0 with a goal from Greig - one of Scotland's best ever players and who won only 44 caps. In contrast 'Heid' has 55 and is on Scotland's Roll of Honour whereas neither Greig nor McNeil are. I know the bar is set at 50 caps but to exclude two of greatest club captains of the postwar era is astounding Playing for a team who won a European cup doesn't make you the best player in that position for your national team. Jim Craig won 1 cap and that was probably 1 too many. He wasn't very good. In comparison, Sandy Jardine who joined Rangers at the same time as Craig joined Celtic, didn't get his first Scotland cap until 1970 and was a vastly superior player. However, the full backs of choice were Tam Gemmell and Eddie McCreadie so it was difficult to see how either Craig or Jardine could be picked ahead of either of them. So you really need to look at the bigger picture rather than just greeting about some conspiracy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 50 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: I'll give you one thing celtic players getting booed everytime they touched the ball for Scotland. Why were they getting booed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Alan Hansen has 3 European cup medals and 26 Scotland caps A ratio of 9:1 less than the average Lisbon Lion John McGovern won 2 European cups as captain of Forest and never got beyond Scotland U23 Ken McNaught (Aston Villa 1981) never got that far And in all these cases that’s despite playing some years after the Lisbon Lions when there were more internationals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Kev mcnaughton, now he deserved a lot more caps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 It seems to genuinely surprise Celtic fans that loads of folk who aren't Celtic fans don't give a shit about the 'Lisbon Lions' (what a cringey as f**k name by the way). Obviously I get why they're so revered by Celtic and their fans, and any other club and their fans would do likewise in a similar situation, but it comes across sometimes that Celtic fans think non Celtic fans should show reverence to them as well. Well take that to f**k. It's their history and they can keep it. I don't care about it. 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Kev mcnaughton, now he deserved a lot more caps. He won the English second tier with Cardiff and got 4 caps for Scotland 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Why were they getting booed? Crowd full of time travellers who had read willy's posts imo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Crowd full of time travellers who had read willy's posts imo Maybe they were Shay Logan’s ancestors and the modern day racism is just payback for 67. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbrucerick Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 hours ago, DA Baracus said: It seems to genuinely surprise Celtic fans that loads of folk who aren't Celtic fans don't give a shit about the 'Lisbon Lions' (what a cringey as f**k name by the way). Only eclipsed by 'The Barcelona Bears'! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, paulbrucerick said: Only eclipsed by 'The Barcelona Bears'! Is that a real thing?! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbrucerick Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Is that a real thing?! I have seen it written. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, paulbrucerick said: I have seen it written. Boak 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbrucerick Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Boak 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Horrendous 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 3 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: So you really need to look at the bigger picture rather than just greeting about some conspiracy. Nobody mentioned conspiracy Kinc just you,the Lisbon lions got a measly total of caps and all have is the blazers didn't like jinky and your half arse excuse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Nobody mentioned conspiracy Kinc just you,the Lisbon lions got a measly total of caps and all have is the blazers didn't like jinky and your half arse excuse.Have you considered Even for a moment It’s possible that they got a “measly”number of caps because they weren’t actually that good.If fate smiles on this Hearts side and we somehow win our ninth Scottish Cup this month I will hail them all as heroes but I won’t try to insist they were the strongest team in the competition they will have been a decent side that found their best performance when superior opponents faltered.And that is how you should look at Inter MilanThe glorious thing about the Lisbon lions is not how good they were but how good they were on the day that mattered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 27 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: The glorious thing about the Lisbon lions is not how good they were but how good they were on the day that mattered. It's good but it's not Lisbon lion good,we're not talking about one game we're talking about their careers. Even after winning the European cup Bertie Auld got no caps. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 6 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: McKinnon got his first cap in 1965 when your very own Jock Stein (managing Scotland's WC campaign) dropped McNeil. Others Stein could have picked included Frank McLintock (only 9 caps) or Ron Yeats (astonishingly, 2 caps). As has been pointed out, we had a wealth of riches at that time. The selection committee was still in charge up in til 66. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 7 hours ago, wastecoatwilly said: Even after winning the European cup Bertie Auld got no caps. As someone said earlier, John McGovern captained two sides to European Cup victory, and received not a single cap. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Maybe the guys who got picked ahead of the Lions just wanted it (to play for Scotland) more? 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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