All things Dundee FC

[Robin.Hood]

31 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said:

f**k, we've signed another Declan McDaid.

If you want a laugh. Check his hair cut tomorrow  

[RossBFaeDundee]

3 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said:

If you want a laugh. Check his hair cut tomorrow  

Saw it on Instagram. A look befitting the team just now, completely ridiculous.

[johnnydun]

Just now, RossBFaeDundee said:

Saw it on Instagram. A look befitting the team just now, completely ridiculous.

Pics or GTF.

[Boo Khaki]

If it was down tae me they'd all have #1's the instant they set foot inside Dens, and wouldnae be allowed near their WAG's for the entirety of pre-season training, the league schedule, and the inevitable Cup Final build-up.

Bunch of bloody pansies these days. 

[stu2910]

You say this as if it wasn't obvious you needed a CB during the extended transfer window.

You won’t see me defending the quality or quantity of CBs we started the season with, but it’s still pretty unlucky to lose 2 of the 3 within the first month of the season.

[D TOTAL]

Anyone else not fussed about football this season, not just Dundee, but football in general, feel like Iv just turned into a casual fan like I don’t feel the excitement I’d usually find on a Saturday 

[Bigmouth Strikes Again]

Looks like that trumpet Neilson is found out yet again, just emphasises how bad McPake really is.

Thank you.

[Dee Bliss]

3 minutes ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said:

Looks like that trumpet Neilson is found out yet again, just emphasises how bad McPake really is.

Thank you.

Dinnae worry the league title is back on after signing a keeper with arms

[Bigmouth Strikes Again]

1 minute ago, Yenitit said:

Dinnae worry the league title is back on after signing a keeper with arms

He'll be on the bench.

[Dee Bliss]

11 minutes ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said:

He'll be on the bench.

Oh ffs to be fair to Jack he had his best game in a Dundee strip last week. He saved 1 shot and caught 1 corner could’ve been 5 without Jack in the goal

[Boo Khaki]

20 minutes ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said:

He'll be on the bench.

I'm not joking when I say that I fully expect Jack Hamilton to be in goal for Dundee tomorrow.

[Fifespud]

Looks like that trumpet Neilson is found out yet again, just emphasises how bad McPake really is.
Thank you.

This.

If that cunt Hamilton or Ferrie is in goal tomorrow I might well be in gaol by Monday. That’s assassination type stuff.

[RossBFaeDundee]

Josh Mulligan undergoing surgery this week on his ankle injury and won't be available for Peterhead until 2021. Shit news for the lad, hoped his loan would've got to a good start, and he's only played 9 minutes. All the best in his recovery.

[Gold Dee]

Having watched the Dunfermline v Hearts match, there is no way we are finishing in the top 2 with McPake in charge (will be lucky to make top 4!).

Dunfermline looked assured, inspired, like they had a game plan and the players all knew what they were supposed to be doing. Their attacking players looked dangerous throughout.

Let's hope Nelms pulls the trigger before it is too late!!

[Boo Khaki]

I honestly can't see McPake being canned before January, and only then if we're sitting 6th or lower in the table. I think it's more likely he makes it through the entire season only to be binned once the dust has settled.

This is the problem with tiered incompetence. By dumping your third managerial hire on the bounce, Nelms would essentially be admitting that he himself is utterly incompetent. After all, if McPake was the right guy for the job 18 months back, why is he no longer the right guy for the job right now? If he's not the right guy for the job, why the hell was he inserted into that role in the first place? 

I think there's a good possibility he makes it through the entire season only to be 'mutually consented', which would be a bit of a face-saver for Nelms.

Apologies, because I can't recall the precise poster right now, but the Motherwell fan who posted in here a few days back was spot on. At least when you have relatively competent executive staff, they're still going to appoint the occasional honking manager from time to time, but their core competence permits them to recognise the mistake quickly, rectify it in good time, and there's a far lesser chance that they go on to appoint a second complete donkey in quick succession. The failures are not as catastrophic, or as far-reaching, whereas the truth about Dundee FC is we are still dealing with the after effects of the idiotic appointments of McCann first of all, then McIntyre, while we are also dealing with a totally incompetent incumbent. 

You can still be a perfectly competent BoD/GM/CE etc, and admit that you screwed up and gave the managerial job to a numpty. That's the nature of appointing managers. No team gets it right every single time. Your competence is judged on how you react to a mistake, how you recover from it, and how frequent or infrequently you make mistakes in the first place. We appoint numpty after numpty, give them the means to totally rehash the playing squad including binning off all the previous numpty's signings, persevere with them for too long, then repeat the entire process over again. You can't build anything when you are starting from scratch constantly, but also lumbering yourself with the long-term consequences of one failed appointment after another.

One of the main things I'd hoped for out of the Strachan appointment was that we'd move away from giving the 1st team manager role to totally untested candidates that don't really make any sense in the first place. Obviously all managers have to start somewhere, and logic suggests that you're bound to find a decent rookie from time to time, but my concerns are that the last two we've appointed never struck me as remotely credible managerial candidates to begin with. They just don't give off manager 'vibes' at all. McCann talks like he understands the game well enough, but I wasn't surprised at all at his pig-headed determination to demand that players played in a manner that they were completely incapable of. I think that's one of the common flaws in very naturally gifted players, i.e. they simply can't comprehend that most players are not capable of doing the things they may have found relatively easy themselves. The McPake appointment baffled me, purely from the perspective that he comes across as being a bit thick. I feel horrible saying that, because he might well be a lovely guy in person, he's supposedly a decent youth coach, and there's no doubting his commitment to the club, however, I genuinely believe he lacks the mental capacity to grasp the subtleties of the tactical side of the game. There's a huge difference in terms of being a good day-to-day football coach, and a competent match-situation manager.  I can't recall a single performance in his year and a bit in charge where I felt he got the better of another manager tactically. So it seems that what we were told was going to be a 'Director of Football' type role for Strachan is really nothing of the sort, either that, or Strachan has no input into 1st team management appointments, or he does and he's just as bloody hopeless as Nelms at judging a manager. If that's not the case, surely McPake would have been binned by now for the Hamilton debacle and the inability to find a working tactical system alone.

[Fifespud]

I honestly can't see McPake being canned before January, and only then if we're sitting 6th or lower in the table. I think it's more likely he makes it through the entire season only to be binned once the dust has settled.
This is the problem with tiered incompetence. By dumping your third managerial hire on the bounce, Nelms would essentially be admitting that he himself is utterly incompetent. After all, if McPake was the right guy for the job 18 months back, why is he no longer the right guy for the job right now? If he's not the right guy for the job, why the hell was he inserted into that role in the first place? 
I think there's a good possibility he makes it through the entire season only to be 'mutually consented', which would be a bit of a face-saver for Nelms.
Apologies, because I can't recall the precise poster right now, but the Motherwell fan who posted in here a few days back was spot on. At least when you have relatively competent executive staff, they're still going to appoint the occasional honking manager from time to time, but their core competence permits them to recognise the mistake quickly, rectify it in good time, and there's a far lesser chance that they go on to appoint a second complete donkey in quick succession. The failures are not as catastrophic, or as far-reaching, whereas the truth about Dundee FC is we are still dealing with the after effects of the idiotic appointments of McCann first of all, then McIntyre, while we are also dealing with a totally incompetent incumbent. 
You can still be a perfectly competent BoD/GM/CE etc, and admit that you screwed up and gave the managerial job to a numpty. That's the nature of appointing managers. No team gets it right every single time. Your competence is judged on how you react to a mistake, how you recover from it, and how frequent or infrequently you make mistakes in the first place. We appoint numpty after numpty, give them the means to totally rehash the playing squad including binning off all the previous numpty's signings, persevere with them for too long, then repeat the entire process over again. You can't build anything when you are starting from scratch constantly, but also lumbering yourself with the long-term consequences of one failed appointment after another.
One of the main things I'd hoped for out of the Strachan appointment was that we'd move away from giving the 1st team manager role to totally untested candidates that don't really make any sense in the first place. Obviously all managers have to start somewhere, and logic suggests that you're bound to find a decent rookie from time to time, but my concerns are that the last two we've appointed never struck me as remotely credible managerial candidates to begin with. They just don't give off manager 'vibes' at all. McCann talks like he understands the game well enough, but I wasn't surprised at all at his pig-headed determination to demand that players played in a manner that they were completely incapable of. I think that's one of the common flaws in very naturally gifted players, i.e. they simply can't comprehend that most players are not capable of doing the things they may have found relatively easy themselves. The McPake appointment baffled me, purely from the perspective that he comes across as being a bit thick. I feel horrible saying that, because he might well be a lovely guy in person, he's supposedly a decent youth coach, and there's no doubting his commitment to the club, however, I genuinely believe he lacks the mental capacity to grasp the subtleties of the tactical side of the game. There's a huge difference in terms of being a good day-to-day football coach, and a competent match-situation manager.  I can't recall a single performance in his year and a bit in charge where I felt he got the better of another manager tactically. So it seems that what we were told was going to be a 'Director of Football' type role for Strachan is really nothing of the sort, either that, or Strachan has no input into 1st team management appointments, or he does and he's just as bloody hopeless as Nelms at judging a manager. If that's not the case, surely McPake would have been binned by now for the Hamilton debacle and the inability to find a working tactical system alone.

Excellent post. At the risk of repeating myself the most important person or people at a provincial club are those that pick the managers. Pick a good one and he’ll get poached, you have to be able to repeat the process and mitigate the effects of a shitey appointment as early as possible. The complete opposite of our process.

[RandomGuy.]

6 hours ago, Boo Khaki said:

One of the main things I'd hoped for out of the Strachan appointment was that we'd move away from giving the 1st team manager role to totally untested candidates that don't really make any sense in the first place. 

There's not a single experienced manager who's going to put up with Strachan having a say in everything.

And if you don't believe Strachan is having a say in everything, then you're on the wrong track.

[Ludo*1]

7 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

There's not a single experienced manager who's going to put up with Strachan having a say in everything.

And if you don't believe Strachan is having a say in everything, then you're on the wrong track.

Or you're just making things up.

McPake and Strachan have repeatedly said that Strachan doesn't want to be involved with the first team. McPake has to basically go to him to get him involved as Strachan is only interested in his youth project that he'd been researching for years prior.

Strachan barely turns up to our first team games. You're so far off the 'track'.

[RandomGuy.]

2 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

Or you're just making things up.

McPake and Strachan have repeatedly said that Strachan doesn't want to be involved with the first team. McPake has to basically go to him to get him involved as Strachan is only interested in his youth project that he'd been researching for years prior.

Strachan barely turns up to our first team games. You're so far off the 'track'.

A rookie manager isn't going to admit that he's clueless and spends the majority of his time asking what someone else would do.

Strachan is heavily involved in everything that happens at Dundee footballing wise. There's hints of that if you want to see them. McPake has admitted, in the middle of conversations about different subjects, that Strachan is regularly consulted on things.

You won't believe me, and that's fine, I'm just telling you why you're stuck with a rookie manager even when McPake leaves.

[Ludo*1]

9 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

A rookie manager isn't going to admit that he's clueless and spends the majority of his time asking what someone else would do.

Strachan is heavily involved in everything that happens at Dundee footballing wise. There's hints of that if you want to see them. McPake has admitted, in the middle of conversations about different subjects, that Strachan is regularly consulted on things.

You won't believe me, and that's fine, I'm just telling you why you're stuck with a rookie manager even when McPake leaves.

McPake regularly goes and asks Strachan for advice, yes. If you had any clue whatsoever about our set up, you'd know that it was McPake that iniated getting Strachan on board as he wanted him as an advisor.

The talks rumbled on and on as Strachan had zero interest in anything to do with the first team and only wanted to get back involved if it was to oversee his youth project. 

You're blatantly making things up that you don't have a clue about.