Ludo*1 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 3 points off 9th and only 1 game in hand over the team currently in 9th. Out of the play-offs and even if we won our 2 games in hand over 2nd, we'd still be a point behind. Zero clean sheets in 9. A massive budget in comparison to clubs around us. We have a first team squad of 26 players - a massive squad at this level. Granted some of them are youth, but I've only included players we've given a first team game to this season and omitted the likes of Lyall Cameron & Josh Mulligan who are supplementing the squad. Charlie Adam & Jason Cummings in the side and likely on very good wages for a side like us. Excuse, after excuse has been given for McPake. I like the guy, I love his passion for the club, I'd be happy for him to stay involved with us, but he will never, ever make a first team manager. We've went over his record before and it's only beaten in a negative sense, statistically, by Jim McIntyre & Alan Kernaghan. Lopsided formations, 1 winger in the squad, McGowan utilised as the other for the past 5 month. We can't defend the indefensible. It needs to end. I'm honestly not trying to be negative. If you're familiar with my posting over the years, I tend to be overly supportive of managers even in the dying embers of their Dundee career. I don't want to be a sacking club and we very clearly aren't, but decisions need made. Yet again Tim Keyes' money is being thrown down the drain. How long will he want to continue that sort of investment with this sort of return? I get Nelms' reluctance to sack a man he's put a good 6-7 year of faith, money and friendship into. It's hard being in that position but that's why you're being paid the big bucks by Keyes. I honestly reckon man for man, we've got a squad of players that could rival a disappointing Hearts side this season. We're currently being held back and the buck stops at the manager. 5 wins in 14 league games is nowhere near good enough. He's had his rookie season to learn from mistakes. He's not taken advantage of that grace period. It needs to end. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 We could get in Tommy Wri.... Too fuckin late. What dross to we have to pick from now? Mark fuckin McGhee? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Play Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Ludo*1 said: To be fair, he done the exact same to Craig Gordon a week before. 9 minutes ago, Yenitit said: Makes it even worse then. Exactly Yenitit. A half decent management / coaching team would ensure Hamilton was fully aware of this. Then again a half decent goalkeeper that even half cared about his reputation would make the effort himself. Absolutely disgusting lack of effort by all involved. McPake doesn’t love this club. If he did he’d have walked away a long, long time ago. Anyone who thinks McPake does love the club is as deluded as Nelms is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mr. Alli said: It's hard to laugh at this anymore. Just ignore it. Don't entertain it. Just don't pretend it's happening. It will be all over with soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: 3 points off 9th and only 1 game in hand over the team currently in 9th. Out of the play-offs and even if we won our 2 games in hand over 2nd, we'd still be a point behind. Zero clean sheets in 9. A massive budget in comparison to clubs around us. We have a first team squad of 26 players - a massive squad at this level. Granted some of them are youth, but I've only included players we've given a first team game to this season and omitted the likes of Lyall Cameron & Josh Mulligan who are supplementing the squad. Charlie Adam & Jason Cummings in the side and likely on very good wages for a side like us. Excuse, after excuse has been given for McPake. I like the guy, I love his passion for the club, I'd be happy for him to stay involved with us, but he will never, ever make a first team manager. We've went over his record before and it's only beaten in a negative sense, statistically, by Jim McIntyre & Alan Kernaghan. Lopsided formations, 1 winger in the squad, McGowan utilised as the other for the past 5 month. We can't defend the indefensible. It needs to end. I'm honestly not trying to be negative. If you're familiar with my posting over the years, I tend to be overly supportive of managers even in the dying embers of their Dundee career. I don't want to be a sacking club and we very clearly aren't, but decisions need made. Yet again Tim Keyes' money is being thrown down the drain. How long will he want to continue that sort of investment with this sort of return? I get Nelms' reluctance to sack a man he's put a good 6-7 year of faith, money and friendship into. It's hard being in that position but that's why you're being paid the big bucks by Keyes. I honestly reckon man for man, we've got a squad of players that could rival a disappointing Hearts side this season. We're currently being held back and the buck stops at the manager. 5 wins in 14 league games is nowhere near good enough. He's had his rookie season to learn from mistakes. He's not taken advantage of that grace period. It needs to end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Yenitit said: A half decent manager would straight away replace Legzdins for Hamilton, Walcott for Ashcroft A decent manager wouldn't have signed Ashcroft. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Ludo*1 said: 3 points off 9th and only 1 game in hand over the team currently in 9th. Out of the play-offs and even if we won our 2 games in hand over 2nd, we'd still be a point behind. Zero clean sheets in 9. A massive budget in comparison to clubs around us. We have a first team squad of 26 players - a massive squad at this level. Granted some of them are youth, but I've only included players we've given a first team game to this season and omitted the likes of Lyall Cameron & Josh Mulligan who are supplementing the squad. Charlie Adam & Jason Cummings in the side and likely on very good wages for a side like us. Excuse, after excuse has been given for McPake. I like the guy, I love his passion for the club, I'd be happy for him to stay involved with us, but he will never, ever make a first team manager. We've went over his record before and it's only beaten in a negative sense, statistically, by Jim McIntyre & Alan Kernaghan. Lopsided formations, 1 winger in the squad, McGowan utilised as the other for the past 5 month. We can't defend the indefensible. It needs to end. I'm honestly not trying to be negative. If you're familiar with my posting over the years, I tend to be overly supportive of managers even in the dying embers of their Dundee career. I don't want to be a sacking club and we very clearly aren't, but decisions need made. Yet again Tim Keyes' money is being thrown down the drain. How long will he want to continue that sort of investment with this sort of return? I get Nelms' reluctance to sack a man he's put a good 6-7 year of faith, money and friendship into. It's hard being in that position but that's why you're being paid the big bucks by Keyes. I honestly reckon man for man, we've got a squad of players that could rival a disappointing Hearts side this season. We're currently being held back and the buck stops at the manager. 5 wins in 14 league games is nowhere near good enough. He's had his rookie season to learn from mistakes. He's not taken advantage of that grace period. It needs to end. I think you’re spot on Ludo and I was exactly like you until the appointment of McIntyre and now McPake. I was forever the optimist when it came to our club. Backing the manager’s against the odds and the players but there comes a point where you have to accept an appointment or signing is shite and the inevitable has to happen before the club kicks on. Found out McPake around about November of his 1st season in charge. He’s clueless, he isn’t learning from his mistakes and costing us and the owners big time. How the f**k can Hamilton for example after 2 and a half years with around half a dozen decent games still be our number 1 for example. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, johnnydun said: We could get in Tommy Wri.... Too fuckin late. What dross to we have to pick from now? Mark fuckin McGhee? The obvious dross as you put it is Stephen Robinson, Craig Levein, Gordon Strachan (doesn’t want it) and advertising it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Shadow Play said: Exactly Yenitit. A half decent management / coaching team would ensure Hamilton was fully aware of this. Then again a half decent goalkeeper that even half cared about his reputation would make the effort himself. Absolutely disgusting lack of effort by all involved. McPake doesn’t love this club. If he did he’d have walked away a long, long time ago. Anyone who thinks McPake does love the club is as deluded as Nelms is. Surely a keeper checks on these things especially if the last game the opponents played was on free to view tv I don’t fall for this loving our club one little bit. I’m a bit warey of this and think it’s probably his best tactical decision he’s made to get the gullible onside thinking our club’s his club. He needs to go but as RossB keeps saying he won’t be punted. What’s the fuckin point as Mixu says. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Mr. Alli said: A decent manager wouldn't have signed Ashcroft. Correct. Or Mullen or play Hamilton or play Adam on the left, or take off Byrne who helps protect the defence or play Gowser as a striker or plays Gowser as a winger or build the team around Gowser or plays Kerr centre midfield....I could go on and on but I’ll run out of battery. Only got 48% left. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Yenitit said: Surely a keeper checks on these things especially if the last game the opponents played was on free to view tv I don’t fall for this loving our club one little bit. I’m a bit warey of this and think it’s probably his best tactical decision he’s made to get the gullible onside thinking our club’s his club. He needs to go but as RossB keeps saying he won’t be punted. What’s the fuckin point as Mixu says. It wasnt. Top research 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mr X said: It wasnt. Top research It wasn’t on BBC Scotland? My bad Sorry I forgot you played Inverness during the week all’s forgiven Jack. Edited February 20, 2021 by Yenitit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 We are asked to pay for season tickets with no entry. We are asked to give to the Foundation. We are asked to pay to watch the stream. It's about time they gave us something back. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: jnelms@dundeefc.co.uk Apparently is his email address. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denspark1893 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 I said it in The Dark Blues match forum.... and I will say it again.... I am done now for the season unless we see a management change. I just cant suffer the absolute gash we are being served up... enough is enough See you all next season 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said: Is this not the same way we managed to get a previous manager sacked? Or is this some acid induced flashback I had? Edit; It was maybe the Billy Dodds thing? Edited February 20, 2021 by johnnydun 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, johnnydun said: Is this not the same way we managed to get a previous manager sacked? Or is this some acid induced flashback I had? Edit; It was maybe the Billy Dodds thing? We definitely stopped Billy Dodds being appointed via that method. Even then, he had his secretary send out stock replies! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 With that result, we're now back on track for our 3rd worst PPG in the Championship ever (1.43 as it stands), only above the 2008-09 season (1.39) and the infamous 2005-06 season (1.19). McPake's Championship winning percentage down to 39%, only higher than Stainroad, Chisholm and Kernaghan, and has managed more Championship games than all 3 of them, which makes it even worse imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 A few posters have highlighted how our displeasure at this increasingly alarming and embarrassing situation would be clearer if crowds were present in the stadium. I'm not overly convinced, how often is John Nelms actually present on match-day? An announced boycott of a home match stream to raise awareness of fan displeasure would appear to be only option available to assist with James McPake's removal. If Nelms' retains the current inept manager for next season, we WILL be relegated to League One. We're currently only 3 points above the relegation play-off after 14 games this season! Continue as is, we are fvcked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, This Charming Man said: A few posters have highlighted how our displeasure at this increasingly alarming and embarrassing situation would be clearer if crowds were present in the stadium. I'm not overly convinced, how often is John Nelms actually present on match-day? An announced boycott of a home match stream to raise awareness of fan displeasure would appear to be only option available to assist with James McPake's removal. If Nelms' retains the current inept manager for next season, we WILL be relegated to League One. We're currently only 3 points above the relegation play-off after 14 games this season! Continue as is, we are fvcked. I'm not one for boycott's mate. It's very Rangursy/Heartsy. But I do agree, something needs done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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