SodjesSixteenIncher Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Nailed it Jack. The notion that Labour are setting the agenda in Scotland because of issues like bevvying at football is as woefully ignorant as you could be about Scottish politics. There's plenty of grown up issues at the forefront of political discourse up here and in most cases, Scottish Labour are nowhere to be seen. I've said it before but PR stunts about Murphy being victimised by "Nats" will make up the vast majority of column inches involving Labour between now and May. In terms of policy, they have absolutely nothing to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 My dad has never voted Labour. I don't vote Labour because I believe they are brilliant, but because I think they are better than anyone else. Keeping out the Tories is one of my incentives for voting Labour this election. It isn't 'pish', it's because Tory policy has a negative impact on things I find important. Politically I am left-leaning centrist, I believe Labour are broadly a left-leaning centrist party. I don't like Ed Miliband, I'm worried about the direction Labour appear to be going in, I think some of their policies go against my personal views, but ultimately I would rather they form the next government than any of the alternatives. When it comes to Scottish Labour, I don't live in Scotland, but of what I read on twitter, Facebook and the limited media coverage Scottish politics gets down here it's felt like Labour are setting the agenda. Issues such as alcohol at football and Labour's victory in stopping the women's super prison seem to have been regularly discussed whilst Nicola Sturgeon's only impact has been an embarrassing appearance on Question Time in which she was shown to be completely out of her depth when up against big hitters. I wish Jim Murphy led UK labour not just Scottish Labour. Far closer to me politically than Ed, and IMO a better politician generally. Wow. Proper head in the clouds stuff there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 jmothecat always does this. Comes in and reels out a spiel that's a shower of shite. Gets questioned on it and slithers off for a while. Beginning to think it's just a troll job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 jmothecat always does this. Comes in and reels out a spiel that's a shower of shite. Gets questioned on it and slithers off for a while. Beginning to think it's just a troll job. I think you're given him too much credit to be honest. A labour prime minister could issue the order to blow up Scotland and he'd still vote labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Without meaning to get all Lex with the odds obsession, I see Tories to win the most seats has came in quite a bit in the last few months. 8/13 seems to be roughly the going rate now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Without meaning to get all Lex with the odds obsession, I see Tories to win the most seats has came in quite a bit in the last few months. 8/13 seems to be roughly the going rate now. Oh no!!! We should all change our votes to Labour now IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Scotland's fault imo, re-run of 1979 Won't somebody think of the Scousers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 jmothecat always does this. Comes in and reels out a spiel that's a shower of shite. Gets questioned on it and slithers off for a while. Beginning to think it's just a troll job. I was asked to give my opinion on Scottish Labour, I gave my opinion, most people here disagree with that opinion. Not much to say really other than going over the same points repeatedly. I doubt anyone would change their opinion and I've nothing much to add to things I've already posted. Only reason I bothered replying to John Lambie at all is because he attributed a statement/view to me that I've never given and isn't accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Jack D Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I was asked to give my opinion on Scottish Labour, I gave my opinion, most people here disagree with that opinion. Not much to say really other than going over the same points repeatedly. I doubt anyone would change their opinion and I've nothing much to add to things I've already posted. Only reason I bothered replying to John Lambie at all is because he attributed a statement/view to me that I've never given and isn't accurate. As someone who is left of centre, what is your opinion on the indications that Scottish Labour would prefer you vote for Tory than SNP or would rather enter coalition with Tory than SNP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I was asked to give my opinion on Scottish Labour, I gave my opinion, most people here disagree with that opinion. Not much to say really other than going over the same points repeatedly. I doubt anyone would change their opinion and I've nothing much to add to things I've already posted. Only reason I bothered replying to John Lambie at all is because he attributed a statement/view to me that I've never given and isn't accurate. Serious question. What, if anything could make you put your cross in a box other than the one next to Labour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 As someone who is left of centre, what is your opinion on the indications that Scottish Labour would prefer you vote for Tory than SNP or would rather enter coalition with Tory than SNP? What indications are those? I would rather vote SNP than Tory, but would be unhappy if Labour went in coalition with the Tories or SNP. They obviously won't go into coalition with the Tories, and I hope they rule out going into coalition with the SNP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 What indications are those? I would rather vote SNP than Tory, but would be unhappy if Labour went in coalition with the Tories or SNP. They obviously won't go into coalition with the Tories, and I hope they rule out going into coalition with the SNP. Why would you, as a centre leftist, not want your party of choice to go into coalition with a centre left party? Seems they should share the same fundamental values and would more likely result in labour actually getting things through Parliament in the (very likely) event of a minority Government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Serious question. What, if anything could make you put your cross in a box other than the one next to Labour? If there were a party who were closer to my beliefs, who had a realistic chance of winning, than Labour. I would have probably voted for the SDP in the eighties, and probably the Lib Dems up until Kinnock stepped down. Now although Labour have started shifting left-wards, the Lib Dems are propping up a Tory government so although my views have drifted since 2010 from Labour, not enough for me to vote for anyone else, and there are no alternatives that are close enough to me politically anyway. I'd also tactically vote for another party to keep the Tories out if I lived in the right constituency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 although Labour have started shifting left-wards I'm afraid you lost me here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Why would you, as a centre leftist, not want your party of choice to go into coalition with a centre left party? Seems they should share the same fundamental values and would more likely result in labour actually getting things through Parliament in the (very likely) event of a minority Government. The SNP believe in things I fundamentally don't and believe the cost of going into coalition with them would be too high. I can see no way a coalition would happen. The SNP are positioning themselves as 'anti-austerity' and 'anti-Trident', two things that I can't imagine Labour going for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 The SNP believe in things I fundamentally don't and believe the cost of going into coalition with them would be too high. I can see no way a coalition would happen. The SNP are positioning themselves as 'anti-austerity' and 'anti-Trident', two things that I can't imagine Labour going for. So as a "left leaning" person, you're in favour of austerity? You believe society's poorest should be punished for the mistakes of society's highest earners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 So as a "left leaning" person, you're in favour of austerity? You believe society's poorest should be punished for the mistakes of society's highest earners? Yes and no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 The SNP believe in things I fundamentally don't and believe the cost of going into coalition with them would be too high. I can see no way a coalition would happen. The SNP are positioning themselves as 'anti-austerity' and 'anti-Trident', two things that I can't imagine Labour going for. So you can't imagine labour shifting from their right wing view on the economy or nuclear weapons, and you think that's a good thing? Surely that goes against the priniciples that a working person's party should be all about? I'm struggling to understand why someone who claims to be centre left wants to see austerity continue at all, even if it isn't as extreme as the cuts proposed by the Tories. If you're going down that line of thinking, you'd be as well voting for the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I'm struggling to understand why someone who claims to be centre left wants to see austerity continue at all, even if it isn't as extreme as the cuts proposed by the Tories. If you're going down that line of thinking, you'd be as well voting for the Tories. For the very reason you've just stated, they aren't as extreme as the cuts proposed by the Tories. That plus agreeing more with Labour ideas than Tory ones. I don't consider myself a socialist, I consider myself a centrist who leans more to the left than the right. I have right wing views, left wing views and centrist views. On balance I'm slightly more left than right, as I believe Labour are, hence why I broadly support them and would prefer them to win the election (that plus the fact they are the only party big enough to stop the Tories, who I disagree with strongly on issues that I consider to be most important to me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 For the very reason you've just stated, they aren't as extreme as the cuts proposed by the Tories. That plus agreeing more with Labour ideas than Tory ones. I don't consider myself a socialist, I consider myself a centrist who leans more to the left than the right. I have right wing views, left wing views and centrist views. On balance I'm slightly more left than right, as I believe Labour are, hence why I broadly support them and would prefer them to win the election (that plus the fact they are the only party big enough to stop the Tories, who I disagree with strongly on issues that I consider to be most important to me). It sounds like you fall more under the liberal democrat umbrella than New Labour to be honest, but that's beside the point. Just so I've got it clear in my head - do you back austerity at all? I get that it's not quite as easy as saying your left, right or middle (I'm much the same as you I think - lean more right on the ecomony, left for pretty much everything else). Hope you don't mind me asking btw - just trying to work out your thought process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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