banterman86 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 You voted for more of the same. You said that we are Better Together under the capitalist neo-liberal agenda of the UK rather than pursuing radical alternatives that are only on the table with independence. In essence, you shat it. This would have happened if we voted Yes. You're embarrasing yourself here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Does anybody disagree with the idea of nationalising the railways? I can think of two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 This has nothing to do with the referendum. This would have happened irrespective of how Scotland voted on the 18th. That a poster is saying "This is what you get for voting no" is fairly revealing of the culture of greivance we will now no doubt see every time the Scottish Government take a decision that isn't popular So why not just say that instead of hoping for some potential showboating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 This would have happened if we voted Yes. You're embarrising yourself here. Oh the irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/news/new-deal-transform-rail-services There will be a break clause for the franchise after 5 years. For passengers - • free wifi on all trains • new approach to cycling with more than 3,500 parking spaces and bike-hire at a number of stations. • 23% more carriages across the network, • reduced fares for jobseekers, • high-speed intercity diesel trains, with over a third more seats, • advance fares of £5 between any two Scottish cities, • Great Scenic Railway scheme bringing more tourists to the north, the south west and the Borders, • major shopping developments at the stations at Aberdeen and Inverness. For staff – • a commitment to earnings of at least the living wage for all staff and subcontractors, • at least 100 apprenticeships, • guarantee of no compulsory redundancies throughout the life of the contract, • rail staff pensions and travel rights protected, • introduction of guaranteed trade union representation on every franchise Board meeting. Sounds too good to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/news/new-deal-transform-rail-services There will be a break clause for the franchise after 5 years. For passengers - • free wifi on all trains • new approach to cycling with more than 3,500 parking spaces and bike-hire at a number of stations. • 23% more carriages across the network, • reduced fares for jobseekers, • high-speed intercity diesel trains, with over a third more seats, • advance fares of £5 between any two Scottish cities, • Great Scenic Railway scheme bringing more tourists to the north, the south west and the Borders, • major shopping developments at the stations at Aberdeen and Inverness. For staff – • a commitment to earnings of at least the living wage for all staff and subcontractors, • at least 100 apprenticeships, • guarantee of no compulsory redundancies throughout the life of the contract, • rail staff pensions and travel rights protected, • introduction of guaranteed trade union representation on every franchise Board meeting. Proof that capitalism delivers, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 So why not just say that instead of hoping for some potential showboating? Showboating? Good gawd, I get the distinct impression t'internet is a wee bit too important to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Oh the irony. Was hoping no one would notice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin M Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Sounds too good to be true. I guess the question here for many will be, if this level of service is deliverable (and if it all comes to pass it sounds brilliant), then would it be feasible to deliver it by nationalising the service, and if so why was that not the decision? I don't know anywhere near enough about it to answer that but I'd say I'm comfortable with the prospect of an improvement in service via a different vendor, as much as the ideal of nationalising the service appeals to me. If they deliver it raises a further question as to why a company based in Scotland or the UK couldn't offer the same improvements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 H_B will be on shortly to demonise the Scottish Government for gifting this to a Brian Souter company..... Oh wait, they didna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I guess the question here for many will be, if this level of service is deliverable (and if it all comes to pass it sounds brilliant), then would it be feasible to deliver it by nationalising the service, and if so why was that not the decision? I don't know anywhere near enough about it to answer that but I'd say I'm comfortable with the prospect of an improvement in service via a different vendor, as much as the ideal of nationalising the service appeals to me. If they deliver it raises a further question as to why a company based in Scotland or the UK couldn't offer the same improvements. I may be oversimplfyng things, but a nationalised service would mean profits reinvested anyway, which should mean constant improvements along these lines.# This is a nice little earner for the dutch government as well I'd presume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 H_B will be on shortly to demonise the Scottish Government for gifting this to a Brian Souter company..... Oh wait, they didna. Stagecoach didn't bid.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I may be oversimplfyng things, but a nationalised service would mean profits reinvested anyway, which should mean constant improvements along these lines.# This is a nice little earner for the dutch government as well I'd presume. Not all rail franchises have delivered suitable returns on capital. This is the reason that they get handed back and re-tendered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin M Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I may be oversimplfyng things, but a nationalised service would mean profits reinvested anyway, which should mean constant improvements along these lines.# This is a nice little earner for the dutch government as well I'd presume. So long as the level of funding is there in the first place, I guess. (Insert some other stuff here about politicians helping their pals fill their greedy pockets etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Stagecoach didn't bid.... I haven't seen anything that backs this up. I know they didn't appear on the shortlist though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Not all rail franchises have delivered suitable returns on capital. This is the reason that they get handed back and re-tendered. Capital? like stock and tracks? That's a matter for Network rail anyway is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I haven't seen anything that backs this up. I know they didn't appear on the shortlist though. You haven't seen anything that says Stagecoach didn't bid...apart from the shortlist of bidders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 So long as the level of funding is there in the first place, I guess. (Insert some other stuff here about politicians helping their pals fill their greedy pockets etc) £2.5 billion over a decade is a fair old whack of money - ScotRail would pay their shareholders dividends in the 10s of millions each financial year. the theory would be that a nationalised service would see this cash reinvested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 You haven't seen anything that says Stagecoach didn't bid...apart from the shortlist of bidders? I am not sure if you are being serious here or if you really don't understand a tendering process. Regardless, I would be rather embarrassed by that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quentin Taranbino Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Wonder if Scotland will get the double decker trains that they have in Holland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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