Zetterlund Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 There's no doubt that the West's continuing spread of freedom and democracy across the Middle East is why the region is so unstable, and has directly led to the hatred that some extremist elements feel toward us. How much of a threat there is on UK soil though is up for debate IMO. In reality they have to keep the 'terror threat level' suitably high to keep the public onside with their latest jollies overseas. Remember just when there was a lot of opposition to the UK getting further involved against ISIS in Syria, up pops a 'foiled terror plot' to murder the queen at the cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday. That's a little bit too perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebadee Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Their motives is everything to do with islam.Why cant you accept this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Aye the middle east was a beacon of democracy and terrorism had yet to be invented pre W Bush. We may have fanned the flames, although it's hard to quantify, but this woe is me, it's all our fault stuff, belongs in a first year politics seminar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock001 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Their motives is everything to do with islam.Why cant you accept this? Because it only really became a problem in the west when idiots really started going all out in trying to demonise their whole religion? I'm pretty sure there was no threat of islamic terrorism in the UK until after 9/11 and our jollies into afghanistan and Iraq yet there were still a lot of muslims. People like you are a bigger threat to our security and do more to breed terrorism than the average muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 The opening post is like a 14 year old's guide to geo-politik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 In order to commit large scale wars and our own atrocities our governments need to invent some sort of bogeyman or reason to justify the continuation of the exploitation and greed that makes the west so powerful. I'm not saying that there isn't a small dangerous faction within Islam in some countries but if Islam was the culprit then why show hypocrisy again to countries like Pakistan. They hid many terrorists, Bin Laden was able to hide yards away from a military compound? Really, do you really believe that? Lots of these countries shouldn't even exist and as mentioned after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire we really screwed up and caused major conflict by creating Israel and drawing borders around countries like Iraq that the people inside did not recognise. Go and have a look on Wikipedia on the history of Middle Eastern countries and then come back and tell us it's all just religion at fault. One example. iraq. 1534-1918 - Ottoman rule. 1917 - Britain seizes control, creates state of Iraq. 1932 - Independence, followed by coups. 1979 - Saddam Hussein becomes president. 1980-1988 - Iran-Iraq war. 1990 - Iraq invades Kuwait, putting it on a collision course with the international community. 1991 - Iraq subjected to sanctions, weapons inspections and no-fly zones. 2003 - US-led coalition invades, starting years of guerrilla warfare and instability. Common factor in Western interest in Iraq was control of oil. Has been this way for over a hundred years. That's just one example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Their motives is everything to do with islam.Why cant you accept this? What about the IRA, was their motive everything to do with Islam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 The reasons certain countries are the target of terrorism are extremely obvious but you'd have to be a very brave man indeed to broadcast it. Not sure what Bali ever did to anyone tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 Not sure what Bali ever did to anyone tbh. East target to get at Westerners. Imam Samudra listed 13 reasons for the attack, including revenge for what he called "the barbarity of the US army of the cross and its allies England, Australia and so on," and their role in the war in Afghanistan, Four Corners said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebadee Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 What about the IRA, was their motive everything to do with Islam?I am talking about Muslim terrorists,apperently its all our fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Not sure what Bali ever did to anyone tbh. The Bali attack was aimed at Western tourists, primarily Australians and Britons. OBL claimed it was a direct retaliation for those country's support for the War on Terror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 And the numerous Indonesians who were killed and injured? What was their supposed crime, collaboration? It's already not looking as black and white, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I am talking about Muslim terrorists,apperently its all our fault. The IRA and 'muslim terrorists' have both attacked us in recent times. Maybe it could have something to do with how we go about our affairs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 And the numerous Indonesians who were killed and injured? What was their supposed crime, collaboration? It's already not looking as black and white, is it? They didn't commit "any" crime. Any more than the Australians, Brits or other Westerners did. The bars were targeted because they were frequented by Western tourists and the terrorists wanted to send a message to the Western governments. As DAFC notes; the nightclubs were easy targets. I was answering your question, not attempting to justify or diminish the horror of the attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 It goes without saying that violence against innocent people is absolutely indefensible in every circumstance but the fact of the matter is, as long as we're the playground bully of the world, we're going to be at more risk than those who peacefully go about their business. Or the school bully's wee bitch pals, to make the analogy more suited to Australia and Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Godbothering still being a thing, that people actually do. Seriously, sky-fairies, 40 virgins, the lot. The tolerance of separatism in our own society, the inability to effectively criticise Israel, Israel and a belligerent and economically fragile Russia. That's my top 5 "why terrorisms" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Luring ISIS into an open conflict in the Middle East would actually be a fairly effective way of bumping off the home-grown nutters too; they're not actually a credible force, and would get gubbed by any of the established states in the region. Turkey changing government and knocking seven shades of shit out of them would be lovely. The West needs to pick and decisively back a few politically moderate winners to dominate the region rather than cheerleading for the latest bunch of Western liberal reformers, who can't actually form a credible government, and from which the West backtracks anyway at the first sign of trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Luring ISIS into an open conflict in the Middle East would actually be a fairly effective way of bumping off the home-grown nutters too; they're not actually a credible force, and would get gubbed by any of the established states in the region. Turkey changing government and knocking seven shades of shit out of them would be lovely. The West needs to pick and decisively back a few politically moderate winners to dominate the region rather than cheerleading for the latest bunch of Western liberal reformers, who can't actually form a credible government, and from which the West backtracks anyway at the first sign of trouble. Isn't ISIS effectively just another Jihadist group borne out of various Countries that went through the "Arab Spring" of the last few years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock001 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 And the numerous Indonesians who were killed and injured? What was their supposed crime, collaboration? It's already not looking as black and white, is it? Despite the fact someone literally posted the perpetrators reasons for the bombing, you are apparently claiming you know better. However (as usual) you will only slag off other peoples opinions rather than stating your own because you don't have enough self confidence. Man up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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