Dindeleux Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 If he's not guilty it means that it couldn't be proven beyond reasonable doubt, it doesn't mean he hasn't done it. I appreciate that but it is the law of the land. I can't prove that you haven't killed anyone but you may have and we just don't know about it yet.I am 50/50 as to whether he did it. Certainly the evidence around the girl turning up in floods of tears at her friends house the next day wasn't easy to read however again the evidence may have shown that this was a normal-ish reaction from her. Who knows.A missed sleaze from this event is the night porter. Saw the girl going up the room not looking very awake (did nothing) and then whilst "on his rounds" heard moaning from the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 33 minutes ago, ICTChris said: People appearing in porn consent to be watched. Are they? I hope you only watch the clearly scripted and acted out porn rather than the uploaded home videos that are just as prevalent on porn sites unless you are 100% certain that both parties have consented to it being uploaded then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramagamma Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Based on the evidence I've read, I can't describe what Evans did as rape, what he did was more like a manslaughter equilvalent, to me "rape" should be used for violent, aggressive and domating crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Litt Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Just now, Dindeleux said: I appreciate that but it is the law of the land. I can't prove that you haven't killed anyone but you may have and we just don't know about it yet. I am 50/50 as to whether he did it. Certainly the evidence around the girl turning up in floods of tears at her friends house the next day wasn't easy to read however again the evidence may have shown that this was a normal-ish reaction from her. Who knows. A missed sleaze from this event is the night porter. Saw the girl going up the room not looking very awake (did nothing) and then whilst "on his rounds" heard moaning from the room. Yeah what you're saying's valid, my no guilty point was just because there seem to be a lot of people who've taken today's ruling as meaning he's innocent and she's a liar, or at the very best sought out to ruin the guy's career. She's never actually accused either of them of raping her, and instead said the whole time she has no recollection. I'm not sure whether he did it either because there's obviously never going to be any evidence to prove she never consented beyond any doubt, so see where the verdict's come from. Regardless, he's obviously a complete cretin and the way his family and friends have acted throughout since this all came to light has been disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I can appreciate that I haven't seen her accuse him of rape anywhere....how did this get to court if that's the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Litt Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, itzdrk said: I can appreciate that I haven't seen her accuse him of rape anywhere....how did this get to court if that's the case? As far as I'm aware she went to the police about a missing handbag, and after giving details about her night they advised she make a complaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Yeah what you're saying's valid, my no guilty point was just because there seem to be a lot of people who've taken today's ruling as meaning he's innocent and she's a liar, or at the very best sought out to ruin the guy's career. She's never actually accused either of them of raping her, and instead said the whole time she has no recollection. I'm not sure whether he did it either because there's obviously never going to be any evidence to prove she never consented beyond any doubt, so see where the verdict's come from. Regardless, he's obviously a complete cretin and the way his family and friends have acted throughout since this all came to light has been disgusting. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainspotter Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 14 minutes ago, Louis Litt said: my no guilty point was just because there seem to be a lot of people who've taken today's ruling as meaning he's innocent Absolutely this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 As far as I'm aware she went to the police about a missing handbag, and after giving details about her night they advised she make a complaint Thanks, I never saw this part and found it just not adding up how they ended up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 If he's not guilty it means that it couldn't be proven beyond reasonable doubt, it doesn't mean he hasn't done it. It also means that he should be treated as innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Louis Litt said: If he's not guilty it means that it couldn't be proven beyond reasonable doubt, it doesn't mean he hasn't done it. Or that he did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 I got raped by an absolutely gorgeous Lithuanian last weekend. I was fucking blootered and she took advantage of me. I'm heading to Vilnius in the next couple of months to pull her up about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawB93 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Based on the evidence I've read, I can't describe what Evans did as rape, what he did was more like a manslaughter equilvalent, to me "rape" should be used for violent, aggressive and domating crimes. No. Rape should mean having sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you - as it does. There are no degrees of rape, you creepy c**t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Based on the evidence I've read, I can't describe what Evans did as rape, what he did was more like a manslaughter equilvalent, to me "rape" should be used for violent, aggressive and domating crimes. Erm, no. Plenty sexual assaults and rapes are neither violent or aggressive yet they can still leave lasting devastating effects on people for years. Coercion is not just dragging someone down an alley and it might do to examine the behaviour that goes into getting consent from someone and questioning whether what you're doing is really consensual and honestly gained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 5 hours ago, Dee Man said: Are they? I hope you only watch the clearly scripted and acted out porn rather than the uploaded home videos that are just as prevalent on porn sites unless you are 100% certain that both parties have consented to it being uploaded then. Are there any sites you could suggest, or maybe even recommend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said: Are there any sites you could suggest, or maybe even recommend? I'm sorry, I cant help you. I get my kicks through hotel windows. The Premier Inn on the Riverside is quite good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramagamma Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 6 hours ago, RawB93 said: No. Rape should mean having sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you - as it does. There are no degrees of rape, you creepy c**t. I disagree, everything has a spectrum and nothing is black and white, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 I disagree, everything has a spectrum and nothing is black and white, Ayr are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 56 minutes ago, Ramagamma said: I disagree, everything has a spectrum and nothing is black and white, And thats why at sentencing judges will increase sentences if aggravating factors such as violence are present. You seem to be suggesting the opposite though in that it isnt really rape if a girl doesnt know its happened to her. Which is fucking creepy as someone else has pointed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 8 minutes ago, Aladdin said: And thats why at sentencing judges will increase sentences if aggravating factors such as violence are present. You seem to be suggesting the opposite though in that it isnt really rape if a girl doesnt know its happened to her. Which is fucking creepy as someone else has pointed out. Reminds me of that old joke about the Scottish burd that goes to the polis and reports that she had been graped. "You mean raped" suggested the duty officer. "Naw", says Scottish burd, "There wus a bunch o' them" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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