Dee Man Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 50 minutes ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: On the face of it, utterly bizarre that a jury of 12 people can see that evidence and unanimously acquit. Rape conviction rates are scandalously low in this country - there are systemic issues at play and one of those, if not the major one, is the kind of victim blaming that's been on show in all its ugly glory in this case. The 'she was asking for it' mindset. Also I'm no lawyer, but on what planet does Evans privately offering a £50k reward for people coming forward that could clear his name, not constitute a threat to the integrity of the process? The 'victim blaming' in this case comes from her deleted tweets that were later unearthed where she was promising her mate a holiday and matching minis in the event of her getting a payout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Twitter has been a virtual cesspit since the verdict was announced; some of what has been said has verged on celebratory, and the vitriol being spouted about the alleged victim is particularly disturbing. Then you have morons saying that because Evans hasn't been found guilty, the alleged victim must have been lying or deliberately misleading. I would echo other posters by saying that I am also very uneasy with the emphasis that has reportedly been placed on the alleged victim's previous sexual behaviour and conduct. Whilst I acknowledge and accept the verdict of the jury, I'm sure those who were most vocal about believing that Evans wasn't guilty upon being originally convicted will afford similar tolerance to any people who wish may to express doubts about how this verdict was arrived at. The extract from The Guardian's report posted by NotThePars on the previous page does somewhat stick in one's craw. How many times did the victim have to change her identity in the wake of Evans being found guilty? I'm sure I read that it was four or five. She must be feeling like she's been to hell and back tonight. You can only hope, as others have correctly said already, that the nature of this case doesn't prevent victims attempting to pursue justice in the future, especially if the perpetrators happen to be famous or in the public eye. Grim, all told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Justice for who? Society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Who gives a f**k? It's not against the law to be sleazy or a creep. If you'd describe his actions that night as 'sleazy' then I'd be worried about your sense of perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 If you'd describe his actions that night as 'sleazy' then I'd be worried about your sense of perspective. This. He brazenly said his initial plan was to peer through the hotel window, without them knowing, and watch his mate pump a lassie. Who does that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 https://thesecretbarrister.com/2016/10/14/10-myths-busted-about-the-ched-evans-case/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 28 minutes ago, pandarilla said: Society. Would take a lot more than that for society to have justice tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 14 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: This. He brazenly said his initial plan was to peer through the hotel window, without them knowing, and watch his mate pump a lassie. Who does that? When the hotel has no WiFi the struggle is real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 23 minutes ago, pandarilla said: If you'd describe his actions that night as 'sleazy' then I'd be worried about your sense of perspective. I didn't describe his actions that night as anything. I'm calling out the numerous posters who've labelled him as a creep or sleazy. He might well be but it has no relevance to the case. How would you label his actions that night and while you're at it can you explain how there has been "moral justice" in a guy who has just been declared innocent. The fact that you find it satisfying that an innocent man has been punished and had his life massively affected is quite disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 18 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: This. He brazenly said his initial plan was to peer through the hotel window, without them knowing, and watch his mate pump a lassie. Who does that? Do you watch porn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 1 minute ago, Dee Man said: Do you watch porn? You're missing the point in that porn stars give their permission for people to watch, while Evans wanted to watch them without them knowing he was there. Please though, continue trying to defend that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I didn't describe his actions that night as anything. I'm calling out the numerous posters who've labelled him as a creep or sleazy. He might well be but it has no relevance to the case. How would you label his actions that night and while you're at it can you explain how there has been "moral justice" in a guy who has just been declared innocent. The fact that you find it satisfying that an innocent man has been punished and had his life massively affected is quite disturbing. Innocent of the charges brought against him, yes. We're not talking about a case of mistaken identity here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Do you watch porn? People appearing in porn consent to be watched. It's a crime to video or photograph people having sex without their consent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said: You're missing the point in that porn stars give their permission for people to watch, while Evans wanted to watch them without them knowing he was there. Please though, continue trying to defend that. Do you watch porn? It's a simple question. 1 minute ago, pandarilla said: Innocent of the charges brought against him, yes. We're not talking about a case of mistaken identity here. I see you're avoiding the questions as well. A wise move on your part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I see you're avoiding the questions as well. A wise move on your part. What question?Yes I watch porn. Love it. Cannie get enough of the stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfishtrombone Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I'm amazed that anyone on here can take a conclusive opinion either way in this, particularly as no one here was present at both trials and listened to all the evidence in two trials that reached contradictory outcomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 1 minute ago, pandarilla said: What question? There is no point continuing with you if you struggle to read and process basic information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I didn't describe his actions that night as anything. I'm calling out the numerous posters who've labelled him as a creep or sleazy. He might well be but it has no relevance to the case. How would you label his actions that night and while you're at it can you explain how there has been "moral justice" in a guy who has just been declared innocent. The fact that you find it satisfying that an innocent man has been punished and had his life massively affected is quite disturbing. I do apologise. I would label his actions that night as disgusting and predatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Got off with rape but still a sleazy b*****d. Wouldn't agree with the "got off with rape" part as if he is not guilty then he hasn't done it.It is of course extremely sleazy behaviour following your mate into a hotel room and "joining in" if that is what's happened. A lot of guys would do the same and most of us have probably taken an intoxicated female home at some stage.......flip side of this is that most men have woken up next to a woman who we wouldn't have went near if sober the night before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Litt Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, Dindeleux said: Wouldn't agree with the "got off with rape" part as if he is not guilty then he hasn't done it. It is of course extremely sleazy behaviour following your mate into a hotel room and "joining in" if that is what's happened. A lot of guys would do the same and most of us have probably taken an intoxicated female home at some stage.......flip side of this is that most men have woken up next to a woman who we wouldn't have went near if sober the night before. If he's not guilty it means that it couldn't be proven beyond reasonable doubt, it doesn't mean he hasn't done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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