dorlomin Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 What a load of pish. Best person for the job and that's it. Why do people always feel the need to bring race/gender etc into everything? The best person for the job is almost always a middle aged white man who went to private school? Gender is not as big an issue in your chances of getting a top job as "class" or where you are from. People get into the good industries by contacts and knowing where to get internships, then how to go about climbing the ladder. Race is a pretty big handicap. Id say race > class > gender. Woman from a posh school that gets into a Russel Group uni is miles ahead of a guy from a low performing school, which is much more likely to be in a low income area. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Psychosis Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 What a load of pish. Best person for the job and that's it. Why do people always feel the need to bring race/gender etc into everything? In an ideal world, yes. But in reality the "best person" for the job might not even get an interview. It was only last year that we got the first female coach of a senior team in the UK. If the "best person" got the job every time there might not be a lot of female managers but over the last hundred years there'd have been significantly more than one. Football teams in particular hardly ever go for the "best person" for the job. They go for the same old faces and the old pals act in the most part. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Psychosis Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Woman from a posh school that gets into a Russel Group uni is miles ahead of a guy from a low performing school, which is much more likely to be in a low income area. True for most industries, probably not for football though. Being posh and/or educated is definitely a disadvantage in the football world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Ponce Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) If Barnes was white there is no doubt he'd be in a job just as old Yaya Toure would have been world player of the year by now if he was. Edited March 31, 2015 by Waldo Ponce 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Debbie Harry Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 If Barnes was white there is no doubt he'd be in a job just as old Yaya Toure would have been world player of the year by now if he was.Yaya Toure..... Seriously??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harriss Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 If Barnes was white there is no doubt he'd be in a job just as old Yaya Toure would have been world player of the year by now if he was. You're either fishing or you're fucking mental.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 He's got a point. If Yaya was white, he obviously would have received a birthday card from Manchester City 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Stan Collymore now talking utter nonsense about this on twitter. Women and black people should be interviewed for every job to give them more opportunities at managerial and boardroom level apparently. What a load of pish. Best person for the job and that's it. Why do people always feel the need to bring race/gender etc into everything? Why does Collywobbles stop at a black man and a woman? How about transgender people? How about a disabled people? A Indian or Japanese person? Every person from all walks of life should be interviewed to make it fair. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Yaya Toure..... Seriously??? You're either fishing or you're fucking mental.. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/10775489/Yaya-Toure-African-players-never-get-recognition-we-deserve.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Dougal McGuire Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Why does Collywobbles stop at a black man and a woman? How about transgender people? How about a disabled people? A Indian or Japanese person? Every person from all walks of life should be interviewed to make it fair. Ye thats kinda what I was getting at. Does somebody want to research how many football managers have worn glasses in the past 20 years. If the number is not exactly 50% of the total managers then maybe something needs to be done to give people with glasses more opportunities. I think that episode of South Park does the race thing pretty well when Chef is trying to get the flag changed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Debbie Harry Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/10775489/Yaya-Toure-African-players-never-get-recognition-we-deserve.html George weah is African, black and won the world player of the year in mid 90's. He, most importantly, was one of the actual best players in the world, unlike yaya Toure who has never been anywhere close to that level. Funnily enough because of his ability and not because he's black. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) Barnes was a terrible manager, of that there is no doubt. But his point that other terrible managers seem to make a living from the game is a fair one. I doubt it is anything as overtly racist as skin colour but rather who their friends and contacts in the game are based upon where they grew up, and who they were pals with in their playing days. You would need to be pretty daft to see that we are now in an age where the law of averages would suggest we would see more black former players coming through into management and it doesn't seem to be happening. This is about as sensible a position as I can see. There's clearly fewer black managers than you'd have thought by now, but to jump to playing the race card is premature, immature and reflects poorly on Barnes. It would be interesting to know why and if it is significantly racism then getting it stamped out. At the other end of the scale are hand-wringers shouting for positive discrimination, interview quotas, and forcing the hiring of people because they are a certain colour (or gender, or nationality, or...). Patronising and racist (or sexist, or...) as f**k, and is depriving someone else of merit an interview/position. Meritocracy or GTFO. Edited April 1, 2015 by banana 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 In an ideal world, yes. But in reality the "best person" for the job might not even get an interview. It was only last year that we got the first female coach of a senior team in the UK. If the "best person" got the job every time there might not be a lot of female managers but over the last hundred years there'd have been significantly more than one. Football teams in particular hardly ever go for the "best person" for the job. They go for the same old faces and the old pals act in the most part. But a well known name or fan favourite often gets the punters exited. After all, how come Kenny Dalglish kept getting all these jobs? Certainly not because he was any good. On the other hand, how much of a difference does a good manager make on the field compared to a average manager? Probably 5% at most. IMO, the worst managers I've always found are the fan favorites. It's probably because they come in with the least skepticism; find it harder to win the respect of players and don't take their job as seriously as they should. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33015657 heh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 ffs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33015657 heh The rule in the NFL makes absolutely no difference. If the guy you want happens to be black then great, but if the guy you want is white then all they do is give some random black guy a token interview and hire the guy they wanted all along. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidernation Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 OK, I demand interviews for a minority not represented in management at all (AFAIK) GST Genuine Scottish Teuchters! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) That feeling when you know you're only there as the required token based on your skin colour. How incredibly demeaning and objectifying. Imagine being a black coach who a club was actually interested in interviewing anyway, you're now being seen as a token. Wonder what the reaction will be when the small band of tokens who'll get interview after interview after interview still aren't hired simply because they wouldn't have been on the shortlist in the first place? Will the token interviewee get in at the expense of another person far down the list but the club were actually going to interview otherwise? I'll be disappointed if qualified black coaches don't speak out against this. Edited June 5, 2015 by banana 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullywee Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 That feeling when you know you're only there as the required token based on your skin colour. How incredibly demeaning and objectifying. Wonder what the reaction will be when the small band of tokens who'll get interview after interview after interview still aren't hired simply because they wouldn't have been on the shortlist in the first place? Will the token interviewee get in at the expense of another person far down the list but the club were actually going to interview otherwise? I'll be disappointed if qualified black coaches don't speak out against this. Token black guys tend to die off pretty quick so I doubt that'll be an issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half Rice Half Chips Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 The rule in the NFL makes absolutely no difference. If the guy you want happens to be black then great, but if the guy you want is white then all they do is give some random black guy a token interview and hire the guy they wanted all along. The point of the Rooney Rule is that a black interviewee, even if he doesn't get the position, may still sufficiently impress at the interview so that he may be recommended as a candidate for other positions that become available. Football is an "industry" that operates a large amount on word-of-mouth between club owners, directors etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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