TapothehullDee Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Some people on here probably don't realise the Titanic has sunk, sitting in their haze of slavers, snorters and futile dreams of independence. Magical stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Some people on here probably don't realise the Titanic has sunk, sitting in their haze of slavers, snorters and futile dreams of independence. Magical stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Hypothetically, if the UK for some unknown reason vote to leave and Scotland vote for independence on the back of this, would we have successor state status? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Hypothetically, if the UK for some unknown reason vote to leave and Scotland vote for independence on the back of this, would we have successor state status? You could be opening up a Pandora's Box here with a question like that. EU, successor states, constitutional law...the wounds have only just healed after indyref Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Some people on here probably don't realise the Titanic has sunk, sitting in their haze of slavers, snorters and futile dreams of independence. Magical stuff. Mature and constructive posts like this really do prove how the hysterical slavering all comes from the pro-Independence camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 You could be opening up a Pandora's Box here with a question like that. EU, successor states, constitutional law, nonexistent legal advice ...the wounds have only just healed after indyref Fixed that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 It's a bit of a seething exaggeration to suggest that Sturgeon will have members who disagree with her fed to dogs or strapped to the end of an anti-aircraft gun and obliterated. While an exaggeration, it's not been officially ruled out? Only applies to the opposition at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Tories not getting off to a good start on this with Cameron back pedalling on his 'back me or resign threat'. 25% of his Cabinet willing to walk away if they don't get a free vote according to Daily Politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Tories not getting off to a good start on this with Cameron back pedalling on his 'back me or resign threat'. 25% of his Cabinet willing to walk away if they don't get a free vote according to Daily Politics. Cameron's already folded like an old Christmas card, Mrs C needs to give him the trousers back for a wee while, hopefully she'll put a big pair of balls in the pocket for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I think what the last few weeks shows us is that the Out/No side have a mountain to climb in terms of winning this. I don't think the Conservatives will split as badly as some have said. I doubt that more than 10% of the Tory backbenchers are die-hard, better-off-out-ers and I'd be amazed if a quarter of the Cabinet resign over a free vote. UKIP have shown they are a major party but they are also a dead end for the Out/No campaign - if you've voted UKIP chances are you're going to vote Out/No anyway and Farage/UKIP are unpalatable to the voters who will need to be won over. There is a solid conservative case for staying in the EU, both economically and politically, and I think Cameron, Osbourne etc will do a good job of making it to enough Conservative voters to win the referendum. It'll be interesting to see how Labour, Lib Dem and SNP voters break - I think the last polling I saw (a few years ago now) of SNP voters on the EU showed that they were almost as likely as Tory voters to want to leave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 The polls shown on Wikipedia for the issue have a clear lead for Stay. Scottish polls average as Stay - 48% Leave - 33% Unsure - 18% the biggest gap is 54%-25% for Stay in the latest poll and the narrowest is 41%-38% for Stay. Overall UK polling averages Stay - 47% Leave - 37% Unsure - 16% Biggest gap for Stay is a 52%-32% lead for Stay in April with Leave leading a couple of polls by 44%-41% and 40%-37% in January and February this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 The polls shown on Wikipedia for the issue have a clear lead for Stay. Scottish polls average as Stay - 48% Leave - 33% Unsure - 18% the biggest gap is 54%-25% for Stay in the latest poll and the narrowest is 41%-38% for Stay. Overall UK polling averages Stay - 47% Leave - 37% Unsure - 16% Biggest gap for Stay is a 52%-32% lead for Stay in April with Leave leading a couple of polls by 44%-41% and 40%-37% in January and February this year. The most important factor will not be how the campaigns go or the current polls, but more the current state of the economy leading up to the referendum. If a recession or another Eurozone crisis erupts, then it will most likely play into the hands of the "No" campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Should be fun today,its the reading of the eu ref bill at westminster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The polls shown on Wikipedia for the issue have a clear lead for Stay. Scottish polls average as Stay - 48% Leave - 33% Unsure - 18% the biggest gap is 54%-25% for Stay in the latest poll and the narrowest is 41%-38% for Stay. Overall UK polling averages Stay - 47% Leave - 37% Unsure - 16% Biggest gap for Stay is a 52%-32% lead for Stay in April with Leave leading a couple of polls by 44%-41% and 40%-37% in January and February this year. Stay are obviously going to win by a landslide. The result of this referendum, like the last one, isn't in doubt. What's going to be most interesting is the infighting and backstabbing in the Tory party, as a result of the government campaigning for a stay, whilst their crazy backbench lunatic types who haven't got over WW2 yet talk about Bosch plans for European overlordship and undermine Cameron at every opportunity, whilst seething over the British public's rejection of their isolationism. Should be glorious watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The polls shown on Wikipedia for the issue have a clear lead for Stay. Scottish polls average as Stay - 48% Leave - 33% Unsure - 18% the biggest gap is 54%-25% for Stay in the latest poll and the narrowest is 41%-38% for Stay. Overall UK polling averages Stay - 47% Leave - 37% Unsure - 16% Biggest gap for Stay is a 52%-32% lead for Stay in April with Leave leading a couple of polls by 44%-41% and 40%-37% in January and February this year. There's a percent missing from the scottish polls - is that down to a margin of error? Not that it affects the polling much, but it's bugging me a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 There's a percent missing from the scottish polls - is that down to a margin of error? Not that it affects the polling much, but it's bugging me a little. Facking bureaucrats in Brussels taking 1% for themselves mate. It's a bladdy disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Salmond speaking today on the EU referendum in Westminster http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/035a053e-b29e-4a3a-a1d9-3916a6a5cce7?in=13:51:51&out=14:19:51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Stay are obviously going to win by a landslide. The result of this referendum, like the last one, isn't in doubt. What's going to be most interesting is the infighting and backstabbing in the Tory party, as a result of the government campaigning for a stay, whilst their crazy backbench lunatic types who haven't got over WW2 yet talk about Bosch plans for European overlordship and undermine Cameron at every opportunity, whilst seething over the British public's rejection of their isolationism. Should be glorious watching. Wait - did you not predict something similar about the recent election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I reckon we should just accept there will be a referendum; it's a democratic vote though I agree that 16 & 17 year olds and EU residents living here should be allowed to participate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/24/eu-young-people-vote-referendum?CMP=share_btn_tw Maybe the snp can exlain why they bang on about the voting age but never even tabled a amendment after the 2nd reading to allow 16/17 to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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