AUFC90 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Ask yourself this - why was John Swinney the invisible man of the referendum campaign? He's a liability - out of his depth when he was leader of the SNP and out of his depth as Finance Secretary. He hasn't got the gift of the gab like Sturgeon or Salmond but he is a very capable constituency MP and has done well as finance secretary. George Osbourne however has failed to wipe the deficit like he promised and has doubled the debt in 5 years. If that's what you call capable then fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 He's avoided making tough decisions. There's only so long you can do that. I think introducing your views on one politicians perceived failings in discussing this subject is a prime example of grasping at straws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Indy ref 2 won't be won until the old people die. I find it astonishing any SNP member wants one before 2030. A second defeat would almost certainly put it on the back burner for 'a generation' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I am willing to wait. 2025 for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Im no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Ask yourself this - why was John Swinney the invisible man of the referendum campaign? He's a liability - out of his depth when he was leader of the SNP and out of his depth as Finance Secretary. He's avoided making tough decisions. There's only so long you can do that. Your misconceptions about Swinney say a lot more about you than they do about him. He's done a very good job during the last 8 years. But, by all means, SNPbad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I do wonder if Dugdale or Ruthy will be brave enough to stand next year or will be on the list again to ensure they get in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Both will be on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Both will be on the list. All that does is tell me neither have any confidence in their own arguments to stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 All that does is tell me neither have any confidence in their own arguments to stand You know that a large number of SNP MSPs in 2007 were elected on the list despite losing in the constituency? Heck Nicola Sturgeon herself went down this route in 2003. It's just an unfortunate quirk of our voting system. We should use STV imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 You know that . I see the slight flaw here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 You know that a large number of SNP MSPs in 2007 were elected on the list despite losing in the constituency? Heck Nicola Sturgeon herself went down this route in 2003. It's just an unfortunate quirk of our voting system. We should use STV imo. Point being? We are talking about the leader of the Scottish Tories and potential leader of Scottish Labour here. Not some no mark MSPs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Point being? We are talking about the leader of the Scottish Tories and potential leader of Scottish Labour here. Not some no mark MSPs Alex Salmond was a list candidate in 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Alex Salmond was a list candidate in 2007 Is this your attempt to deflecting my point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Point being? We are talking about the leader of the Scottish Tories and potential leader of Scottish Labour here. Not some no mark MSPs Alex Salmond was a list candidate in 2007 Oh dear! Enrico is guaranteed to end up a shambling mess when he strays away from copying and pasting from the Internet. That's his wheelhouse - go with what you know. Or in your case Enrico, never try to go with what you think you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Is this your attempt to deflecting my point? My point is that party big hitters protecting themselves by putting themselves at the top of the list is by no means confined to the unionist parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 My point is that party big hitters protecting themselves by putting themselves at the top of the list is by no means confined to the unionist parties. Just how big a hitter was Nicola Sturgeon in 2003? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 My point is that party big hitters protecting themselves by putting themselves at the top of the list is by no means confined to the unionist parties. Salmond won the seat in 2007, as did Wee Nic. Ruthy came in 4th behind the Lib Dems at the last election. That's her reason for going on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Just how big a hitter was Nicola Sturgeon in 2003? Shadow health minister. So probably not as big as wee Kez is now. Either way she is always listed top of the Glasgow list, as is Alex Salmond in the North-East. All parties except Labour have used this tactic extensively in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Salmond won the seat in 2007, as did Wee Nic. Ruthy came in 4th behind the Lib Dems at the last election. That's her reason for going on the list. Uh huh... according to you, goingon the list means :- "All that does is tell me neither have any confidence in their own arguments to stand " So, can you just confirm that in 2007 Salmond didn't have any confidence in his own arguments to stand? Yes or No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.